Re: [gentoo-dev] tmpfiles virtual

[Mike Gilbert]

On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 2:51 PM, Ian Stakenvicius <axs@g.o> wrote:
> On 15/11/16 02:42 PM, Michał Górny wrote:
>> On Tue, 15 Nov 2016 13:57:14 -0500
>> Ian Stakenvicius <axs@g.o> wrote:
>>
>>> On 15/11/16 12:56 PM, William Hubbs wrote:
>>>> OpenRC itself doesn't install any tmpfiles.d files, and my plan is to
>>>> make sure virtual/tmpfiles and opentmpfiles go stable at the same time
>>>> the new OpenRC does, along with at least one package that uses them.
>>>>
>>>> This will also definitely be covered in the upstream OpenRC news.
>>>>
>>>> WRT OpenRC pulling it in, it isn't a build or runtime dependency of
>>>> OpenRC, and it may not even be needed in some cases, so I'm not sure how
>>>> much sense it makes from the OpenRC level to pull it in or which type of
>>>> dependency to use for it.
>>>
>>> I'm with William on this.  As long as the packages that install items
>>> (init scripts, whatever) that -do- need tmpfiles.d support depend on
>>> virtual/tmpfilesd, this will ensure it's installed regardless of
>>> whether or not openrc depends on the virtual directly.
>>
>> The ebuilds are going to only need a pkg_*-time dependency on the tool.
>> While this means RDEPEND at the moment due to our dependency class
>> limits, we may have a proper dependency type for it in EAPI 7. In this
>> case, the PM will be allowed to unmerge opentmpfiles as soon
>> as the package is installed.
>>
>
> The EBUILDS, yes.
>
> This tool isn't just for ebuilds though, it's also for managing
> tmpfiles.d processing at boot time as well as (i assume) via
> continuous daemon-like operation for the services that install files
> into /usr/lib/tmpfiles.d/ (apache, libvirtd, lvm2, mysql, samba are
> just a few that I have on my own system right now) when systemd isn't
> installed.
>
> Or am I wrong on this?  It'd seem odd that we would go through this
> just to make a tool for ebuilds to use, if non-systemd systems aren't
> going to use it at boot time as well...

Right; if the functionality is being stripped out of OpenRC, it will
definitely need to remain installed and provide init.d scripts for
processing at boot time.