Re: [gentoo-dev] Going against co-maintainer's wishes (ref. bug 412697)

[Rick \\\"Zero_Chaos\\\" Farina]

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On 05/26/2013 11:21 AM, Ben de Groot wrote:
> On 26 May 2013 18:04, Rich Freeman <rich0@g.o> wrote:
>> On Sun, May 26, 2013 at 3:43 AM, Michał Górny <mgorny@g.o> wrote:
>>> On Sun, 26 May 2013 15:23:44 +0800
>>> Ben de Groot <yngwin@g.o> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Where is this policy documented?
>>>
>>> Nowhere, I think. I've seen it coming in the late thread, looked common
>>> sense enough to me.
>>>
>>> If it is to be documented, I think we should document it in a more
>>> general fashion. To cover all stuff like completions, logrotate and so
>>> on.
>>>
>>
>> As others have already pointed out, we are an organization, not a CPU.
>>  We can't make EVERYTHING a rule, and devs should act in a cooperative
>> manner so that this remains the case.
>>
>> Sure, this can be made into a policy, and if things get out of hand
>> I'm sure it will be.  I'm not quite sure I see the need yet, as we
>> don't have an example yet of a maintainer not cooperating with the
>> systemd team on the installation of init files (in the present example
>> Ben isn't actually a maintainer, since he stepped down).
>
> In packages I maintain, I will not be adding any systemd related files.
> All bug reports requesting such additions will be closed as an upstream
> matter.
>
>> If Ben wants to boycott systemd by not maintaining any packages that
>> support it, that is his choice.  I just suspect that the end result of
>> that will be that he'll end up not maintaining much of anything.  I'd
>> hate to see that happen, as it would be a loss for Gentoo.  But,
>> frankly, letting any one person dictate the direction of the entire
>> distro by essentially threatening to quit would be worse.
>
> Gentoo is evolving in directions I do not agree with. I am feeling less
> and less at home here. More and more often it seems I am the
> minority voice of protest. I am not enjoying this role, and increasingly
> the thought arises that I should just get out of people's way and
> find another place that is closer to my ideas of what a distro
> should be.
>
>> Gentoo is about choice - and the nature of choice is that most of the
>> choices it supports are ones that you wouldn't personally make.  We do
>> a reasonably good job letting everybody have their cake and eat it
>> too.  However, it really isn't an appropriate distro for absolute
>> purists of almost any kind - it reeks of compromise.  We package
>> proprietary software (we don't redistribute the copyrighted parts), we
>> more-or-less run on Windows/OSX, we support that X32 alternate
>> architecture that some believe has no useful purpose, and so on.
>>
>> If you really want to influence the battle of the init
>> implementations, then write code, not emails.
>
> I am not a programmer, I am a simple package maintainer.
>
>> Maybe that is a wrapper
>> that allows OpenRC to support systemd units.  Maybe that is more
>> functionality for OpenRC.  Maybe it is something else.  However,
>> trying to influence things by just spitting into the wind isn't going
>> to do much but get your face dirty. Sure, devs can quit, but that
>> isn't just a loss for Gentoo.  Frankly if your main goal in life is to
>> avoid systemd then you're better off supporting Gentoo which is likely
>> to support that option nearly forever far better than any other
>> distro.
>
> If forcing Gentoo package maintainers to add systemd support
> to packages they maintain is your idea of the best option to
> avoid systemd, then I respectfully disagree.

Perhaps this was covered already, but how exactly did this one file,
added by your co-maintainer, hurt you?  Did it cause additional bugs?
Did it break a working ebuild?  Did it kill your cat?

It would seem to me that the co-maintainer (a person who cares that some
users are interested in systemd enough to add one file to the package)
made the package support a slightly wider range of systems (gentoo is
about choice) and this affects you in exactly no way.

What am I missing here?  Are you just trying to force your will on
others or do you have an actual issue caused by this commit?  It is not
for us developers to force one way on the users, gentoo is supposed to
be about choice, your co-maintainer chose to support systemd, an action
which as far as I can see didn't harm you, and helped some users.  This
has been a very long thread for something I don't get at all.  Please,
seriously, what am I missing here?

- -Zero
>
> Obviously I have better (and more fun) things to do.
> --
> Cheers,
>
> Ben | yngwin
> Gentoo developer
>
>

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