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El mié, 11-09-2013 a las 11:41 +0200, Olav Vitters escribió: |
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> > * We maintain networkmanager and bluetooth support optional, and this |
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> > has been the case since 3.2 iirc even though upstream flat out refuses |
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> > to merge our perfectly fine patches |
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> Feel free to cc release-team@×××××.org on such patches. I am not saying |
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> something would change, however, Bluetooth is optional in gnome-shell |
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> (though in 3.9.x it crashed if you disabled it). Seems a bit strange to |
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> have it optional in one place, forced in another. |
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Upstream (I think most Bastien) strongly refuses to include that |
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patches, should we send you via mail to release team? (I can try to find |
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the bugs again and CC you there, but you will only see those closed as |
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WONTFIX because we aren't supposed to disable that support (colord, |
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networkmanager, kerberos...) |
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> Intention was not to force systemd. It just seems to have ended up that |
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> way. The various times I asked there has been a lot of work going on |
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> into supporting non-systemd configurations as changes are made. However, |
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> that work is mostly untested and likely buggy (things needs to be used). |
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> I thought the work was good enough (though knew that Debian would go |
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> with requiring systemd as a dependency) |
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It's "de facto" forced, otherwise, gdm cannot be stopped properly (until |
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cgroups support is not implemented in other RCs alternatives), power |
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management support is lost... |
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> It seems that for Wayland support we somehow do need to require logind |
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> (I forgot why exactly, though I do have IRC logs somewhere). At the |
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> moment that seems unlikely to change. I'm planning to write a proper |
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> message about this to distributor-list. |
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Then, it will also need systemd to be running as systemd >= 205 cannot |
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have logind working alone. |
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> Most of the development was done within ConsoleKit, now mostly done |
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> within systemd. It would be nice if the logind part was optional like it |
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> was initially, but I don't know if that would still be a no-go for |
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> Gentoo. E.g. does it have to be ConsoleKit, or is a logind also ok? Note |
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> that Ubuntu is going with Qt, so I don't expect them to do much |
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> development on keeping logind separate from systemd. |
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Ubuntu people made a huge effort to let logind work with Upstart |
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running, but that will only work for <=204 version. |
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