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From: William Hubbs <williamh@g.o>
To: gentoo-dev@l.g.o
Cc: gregkh@g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] Summary Council meeting: Tuesday 11 December 2012
Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 19:28:51
Message-Id: 20121214192800.GA24841@linux1
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] Summary Council meeting: Tuesday 11 December 2012 by Ian Stakenvicius
1 On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 02:05:27PM -0500, Ian Stakenvicius wrote:
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5 > On 14/12/12 01:28 PM, Greg KH wrote:
6 > > On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 11:43:41AM +0100, Fabian Groffen wrote:
7 > >> Handling separate /usr support ==============================
8 > >> After the discussion on [1] during the previous meeting, a delay
9 > >> of one month due to a new fork of udev was requested. We need an
10 > >> update on what's happened.
11 > >>
12 > >> Chainsaw reported udev and eudev have moved on, and for both it
13 > >> is now possible to have a separate /usr. The follow-up
14 > >> discussion related to the /usr-merge is necessary.
15 > >
16 > > udev was never the problem of having a separate /usr without an
17 > > initrd. Have all of the other packages been properly fixed to
18 > > resolve this issue correctly?
19 > >
20 > > Also, what's the plan for eudev going forward?
21 > >
22 >
23 >
24 > Eudev's project announcement is coming soon, should answer your questions.
25 >
26 > In terms of udev's dependencies, yes, the few dependencies that were
27 > installing only to /usr (ie, kmod and xz-utils) have been switched to
28 > install to /, and then fixed again due to issues with they way they
29 > were done the first time so that they also work. I believe however
30 > they are still ~arch keyworded.
31 >
32 > There may of course be other entirely independent packages needed at
33 > boot time prior to localmount, I do not know that status of those.
34 > Once eudev (the gentoo package) fully supports separate-/usr (which it
35 > doesn't at this time as it uses the same init scripts as udev-196), we
36 > will be sure to resolve them.
37 >
38 > It should be noted that sys-fs/udev (the package) since .. 186 I
39 > think? whichever version dropped support for the failed-rules queue
40 > (and whichever package dropped the udev-postmount init script) does
41 > not support booting with a separate /usr. This has more to do with
42 > how the package installs than the upstream code itself, though; as
43 > such (WilliamH please correct me if I'm wrong) the plan is still to
44 > require an initramfs if using sys-fs/udev with a separate-/usr.
45
46 Greg, can you write back to this message with specific examples of what
47 would need to be customized so that separate /usr would work right
48 without an initramfs? I have tried to explain multiple times that this
49 is a mis-conception that udev caused it, but I am getting nowhere.
50
51 Thanks,
52
53 William

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