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On 05/15/13 20:20, William Hubbs wrote: |
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> On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 02:18:13PM -0400, waltdnes@××××××××.org wrote: |
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>> On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 03:41:31PM +0200, Fabio Erculiani wrote |
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>>> Are we realizing that in order to keep systemd out of our way, we're |
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>>> currently writing and maintaining drop-in replacements for the |
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>>> features that systemd is already providing in an actively maintained |
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>>> state? openrc-settingsd was the first thing that we as Gentoo |
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>>> developers (Pacho?) had to write in order to merge GNOME 3.6 into our |
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>>> tree. |
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>> So Redhat, who are heavily into GNOME |
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>> ( http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Red_Hat_contributions#GNOME_developers ) |
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>> decided to make GNOME depend on other Redhat-developed software (systemd |
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>> and pulseadio). Well... like... dohhhh... |
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>> Question... when Sun made OpenOffice depend on Java (also a Sun |
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>> product) did Gentoo developers run around suggesting that Java be made a |
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>> part of the core Gentoo base system? I don't think so. If a user wants |
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>> to run GNOME badly enough, he'll switch to systemd. I don't see why the |
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>> rest of us (i.e. non-users of GNOME) should have to follow along and |
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>> reconfigure our systems. This is a case of the tail wagging the dog. |
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> I don't interpret what he is saying that way. I think what he is |
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> talking about is that we are trying to get teams to support non-systemd |
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> setups when upstreams do not, like with gnome. |
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> Gnome now has a hard dependency on systemd (for gnome newer than 3.8). |
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> Some folks want to use gnome without systemd and are putting that under |
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> the gentoo is about choice banner and want us to support them. |
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>>> So what do we want to do then? Isolate from the rest of the world? |
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>>> (It's not a sarcastic question). I hope that everybody does their |
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>>> own reality check. |
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>> You are effectively calling not-using-GNOME isolationist. Let's just |
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>> say I disagree with you on that. BTW, see my sig. |
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> See above. |
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> William |
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If upstream gnome has that dep on systemd then I kinda think we should |
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too (technical decision, not one I like personally) |
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