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On Sun, 2007-04-22 at 21:30 +0100, robert burrell donkin wrote: |
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> On 4/22/07, William L. Thomson Jr. <wltjr@g.o> wrote: |
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> > From what I have seen and heard that relationship ended some time ago. I |
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> > do not believe any Sun peeps are committing to apache/jakarta projects. |
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> jakarta has been split into top level projects |
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Not sure about that statement. Jakarta projects like tomcat have been |
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moved to top level apache projects now. Jakarta is like an incubator for |
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applications before they become top level/apache projects. |
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> there is plenty of activity elsewhere at apache involving committers |
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> with links to sun. see for example |
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> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/river.html, |
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> http://db.apache.org/jdo/, http://shale.apache.org/ (i could do on but |
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> won't). however, i'm not sure how many of those work on apache code as |
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> part of their job. |
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That was my point. To the best of my understanding very few if any Sun |
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employees contribute to Apache/Jakarta projects. Sun employees |
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contributing to the FOSS java world are doing so via java.net or what |
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ever that's called. Pretty sure it's not part of the JCP but might be. |
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> J2EE1.4 (2.4) RI contains tomcat but i don't think there's a separate |
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> RI for the servlet container specification |
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Ok, then Tomcat is the reference up to Servlet API 2.4/JSP API 2.0. |
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Still pretty sure that is not the case for Tomcat 6.x Servlet API |
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2.5/JSP API 2.1. |
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> > Seems there were some differences there amongst developers, and it has |
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> > been pretty much completely severed. |
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> most of the 3.x/4.x tomcat developers have moved onto new open source |
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> projects. i don't know of any who are working on servlet containers |
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> anymore outside apache. |
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Like other containers? Resin, Jetty, etc? |
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> > I also noticed in glassfish some |
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> > sun-commons stuff, so not sure if they are duplicating that as well. |
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> most likely that's just part of their effort to open sourcing most of |
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> their code base |
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No it seems to me to be a result of the fork. Now there will be apache |
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commons stuff and sun commons stuff. |
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> the fork really happened back with the tomcat 3.0 donation. the apache |
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> implementation has been independent since then. |
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No there has been another much more recent fork. Although I am not sure |
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how much is out in public space. Seems there is a current dispute over |
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licenses and etc wrt to Harmony |
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http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,130574/article.html |
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Just to show recent and current rifts. How deep this goes, hard to say, |
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but seems. |
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Seems this stuff started long ago though |
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http://www.internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/10_998071 |
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Bottom line I am seeing some duplicate code bases. Or places where there |
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is great potential for past code base fork to exist. |
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William L. Thomson Jr. |
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