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From: hasufell <hasufell@g.o>
To: gentoo-project@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Call for agenda items - Council meeting 2014-04-08
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2014 12:22:49
Message-Id: 53380C91.9050005@gentoo.org
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-project] Call for agenda items - Council meeting 2014-04-08 by Rich Freeman
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4 Rich Freeman:
5 > On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 8:37 PM, William Hubbs <williamh@g.o> wrote:
6 >> Some how we need to focus on getting people to respect each other and
7 >> the policies we already have, and quite frankly, if they won't do that,
8 >> removing them from the community.
9 >
10 > Alas, we cannot afford to drive people away any more than we can
11 > afford to let them drive others away...
12 >
13 > I really wish that devs would get over their differences and just talk
14 > about their ideas. You don't need anybody's "permission" to do many
15 > things around here. That doesn't mean that it isn't nice (and more
16 > importantly wise) to at least ask for some feedback before striking
17 > off on your own.
18 >
19 > The only clean solution is for all of us to grow up a little more...
20 >
21 > Rich
22 >
23
24 That is not going to happen and is not really a solution. Also, by
25 trying to not drive people away, we already drive others away (I very
26 well remember the last few "I will retire" threads).
27
28 In the end it seems to me that old-timers regularly win that
29 "contest". It's not the same thing to temporarily remove commit access
30 of someone who has been working on gentoo for 5+ years and is lead of
31 several projects, compared to someone who just got in here 5 months ago.
32
33 Let's face it. It will never improve. We can just try to live with it
34 and that's what most people do.
35
36 And I am specifically talking about people who don't follow a
37 methodology of talking stuff through before doing it... not gentoo
38 culture in general. And I am also not talking about casual oversight,
39 but about behavioral pattern.
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Re: [gentoo-project] Call for agenda items - Council meeting 2014-04-08 "Andreas K. Huettel" <dilfridge@g.o>