Re: [gentoo-project] On the way Devrel is constituted

[Alexis Ballier]

On Wed, 19 Jun 2013 22:00:48 -0400
Rich Freeman <rich@××××××××××××××.net> wrote:

> On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 8:50 PM, Alexis Ballier <aballier@g.o>
> wrote:
> >
> > So that the council controls everything: they nominate the judges
> > (devrel) and are the appeal court. I consider this even worse.
>
> The council is elected.  No sane organization (democratic or corporate
> or whatever) just has a self-appointing judiciary.  I'm not convinced
> we even need an independent judiciary, but nations that have
> independent judiciaries still have elected representatives appoint
> them.  They also often have a means for elected officials to overturn
> their decisions (at least in the direction of pardons).

Self-appointing, probably not, but the judiciary often does its
pre-selection before asking or proposing members to the officials (e.g.
with a competition). The officials nominate them afterwards: It sounds
much more like the council can oppose to nominating a devrel member or
a new lead, or even demote someone under a request, all of which I
think it actually has the power to do.

[...]
> My feeling is that QA and Devrel should be council appointed.  They
> can of course recommend their own members, and Council can give
> whatever deference they feel is appropriate to the recommendation.

It depends what you mean by appointing. If it's a yes/no vote on
proposal of the groups then why not.

> If you wouldn't trust somebody to appoint QA/Devrel members, then you
> shouldn't be electing them to the Council.

I could give you a few names I would certainly like to see on council
because they have a very good overview of the technical issues council
usually discusses but whom I wouldn't see in devrel matters :)

Alexis.