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From: hasufell <hasufell@g.o>
To: gentoo-project@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Call for agenda items - Council meeting 2014-04-08
Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2014 13:49:47
Message-Id: 5336CF6E.9000309@gentoo.org
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-project] Call for agenda items - Council meeting 2014-04-08 by "Anthony G. Basile"
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4 Anthony G. Basile:
5 > On 03/29/2014 09:26 AM, hasufell wrote:
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8 >> Anthony G. Basile:
9 >>> On 03/27/2014 09:40 AM, Anthony G. Basile wrote:
10 >>>> Hi everyone,
11 >>>>
12 >>>> The council will be meeing on April 8, 2014 at 1900 UTC.
13 >>>> Please bring forward any agenda items you would like
14 >>>> discussed.
15 >>>>
16 >>>> --Tony
17 >>>>
18 >>> Okay I'd like to add an agenda item. A policy inspired by bug
19 >>> #506034.
20 >>>
21 >>> Motion: "Significant changes to virtuals are to be discussed
22 >>> (via mailing list or bugzilla) with all the maintainers and/or
23 >>> herds which maintain packages those virtuals depend on."
24 >>>
25 >>> Discussion: "Like eclasses, changes to virtuals can affect all
26 >>> the packages which depend on them. Changing existing
27 >>> virtuals, removing virtuals or adding new ones affect the
28 >>> packages they depend on. When such a change is proposed, all
29 >>> maintainers affected need to be included in the discussion."
30 >>>
31 >> Sounds like any other reverse-dep. If people don't discuss
32 >> non-trivial changes (to whatever part of gentoo), then that needs
33 >> to be fixed, not policies introduced for every single situation
34 >> that arises.
35 >
36 > True, I did think of that, but we do have a policy for eclasses.
37 > With deeper uses of virtuals, it does not hurt to make the
38 > reverse-dep issue explicit.
39 >
40
41 IMO, eclasses are special since they are not really versioned.
42 Virtuals are regular packages, versioned and with stable and unstable
43 keywords.
44
45 Unless you really want to apply this policy on _all_ reverse deps.
46
47 And if people don't follow it, then what? There have been a hundred
48 situations (including eclasses) that were sufficient to say "stop" to
49 some people who regularly do undiscussed, non-trivial changes. Until
50 now, not much has happened about it. I doubt that this policy will
51 change any of that.
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53 [sarcasm]
54 But it gives us an impression of progress, at least... and policies
55 seem to be a trend lately.
56 [/sarcasm]
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