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Tom Wijsman schrieb: |
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> Oh, and not to forget about X-openrc, X-cron, X-..., ... and so on. |
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X-selinux if you want an example of what is currently in tree. |
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> Putting the maintenance burden on users is the worst thing we can do. |
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Users have no extra maintenance burden in this case. Users have to make |
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informed decisions, which is something they have to do all the time |
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anyway when using Gentoo. |
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>> I believe QA has no authority to (functionally) change packages, |
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>> although they can p.mask whatever they consider unacceptable. |
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> Define "unacceptable", maybe they'll mask the X-whatever packages in the |
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> future because it has turned into a mess; such a mess we can't easily |
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> migrate away from, because we first have to start another 5 threads... |
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IIRC, QA needs no formal justification for masking a package. |
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>> This is something I fundamentally do not agree with. Gentoo is not a |
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>> team that works together. |
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> It's not like in a sports game, but we are people working together; we |
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> may not pursue the same thing, but we should pursue what is best for |
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> our users. Whatever way you go, the users will end up experiencing it. |
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You are free to pursue what you think is best for any particular group |
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of users that you care about. Just don't expect anybody else to share |
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that ambition. |
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x11 team decided some time ago that we would not let proprietary drivers |
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hinder the progress of X.org packages. Would it be better for our users |
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if we instead bent over to accommodate for the binary blobs from AMD, |
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Intel (yes, Intel) and NVidia? Ubuntu for example thinks that this |
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serves their users best, and I tend to agree. After all, it solves a lot |
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of headache and confusion for blob users. |
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However for all *I* care, blob users can go use Windows. Other |
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developers care more, and put a lot of effort into making the blobs |
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palatable on Gentoo. |
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>> There is no set direction (or "stream"). |
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> Then why do we have an about page documenting one? There is. |
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You mean that page? http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/about.xml |
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I don't see the words "direction" or "stream", nor anything similar |
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mentioned there. |
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>> Gentoo is a collection of individuals which each work on a small part |
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>> of it, and the interference in that is kept to the necessary minimum, |
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>> mostly by Council enacted rules. I would be very unhappy if that were |
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>> to change. |
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> You can't avoid interference, it is bound to happen sooner or later; |
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> when it does, Council shouldn't be implied, but rather be the exception. |
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> I would be very unhappy if Gentoo only ran on rules and silence; |
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> these not only affect our developers, but even more also our users. |
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Interference does happen, I did not claim otherwise. If you disagree |
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with another developer, you of course are entitled to complain loudly |
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and try to convince him of your way. |
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Best regards, |
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Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn |
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