Re: [gentoo-project] Re: Call for agenda items - Council meeting 2013-04-09

[Tom Wijsman]

On Sun, 7 Apr 2013 09:43:29 -0400
Rich Freeman <rich0@g.o> wrote:

> On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 9:37 AM, Andreas K. Huettel
> <dilfridge@g.o> wrote:
>
> We don't teach existing developers the new EAPIs, so why would we
> teach new developers the old EAPIs?

Markos reviewed my knowledge of the old EAPIs and expected I knew them.
 
> That's what documentation is for - the purpose of recruiting isn't to
> teach documentation regurgitation.  The main purpose of recruiting is
> to screen out people who lack maturity/care/etc.

Everybody has to start somewhere. I wasn't careful lately which has
resulted in my first last rite and learning better about proper package
testing; ironically, the problem here is mostly a lack of documentation.

> A developer with commit access that doesn't understand EAPI2 doesn't
> concern me much.

It gets fun when he starts changing the ebuild, as a result he wouldn't
understand how to 1) adjust it in EAPI2 or 2) port it to EAPI5.

> A developer with commit access that understands all
> the EAPIs perfectly and loves to do tree-wide scripted commits without
> notice or formal testing every other Tuesday concerns me a great deal,
> even if they haven't broken anything yet.

Yeah, there appears to be no documentation and rules for that in place;
this happened a few times lately, nothing bad seems to have happened.
These are long time developers, which makes me more concerned...

> The problem isn't ignorance, but innocence.  We're all ignorant at
> some level, but some at least understand this and act accordingly.

It's rather about the right amount of communication and the right
amount of silence, I wouldn't call either side good.

-- 
With kind regards,

Tom Wijsman (TomWij)
Gentoo Developer

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