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From: "Benjamin Smee (strerror)" <strerror@g.o>
To: gentoo-server@l.g.o
Cc: Marius Mauch <genone@g.o>
Subject: Re: [gentoo-server] forcing good passwords
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 12:24:37
Message-Id: 200601181222.16615.strerror@gentoo.org
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-server] forcing good passwords by Marius Mauch
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4 lo,
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6 On Wednesday 18 January 2006 04:09, Marius Mauch wrote:
7 > Well, hard to say what would be more secure,
8
9 that is certainly true.
10
11 > just pointing out that
12 > 12*[a-zA-Z] offers about 10.000-100.000 times more combinations than
13 > 8*[a-zA-Z0-9<special-chars>]:
14 > 52^12 = 390,877,006,486,250,192,896 ~ 3.9*10^20
15 > 95^8 = 6,634,204,312,890,625 ~ 6.6*10^15
16 > (assuming 33 special chars, could be a few more or less).
17 >
18 > And for completeness:
19 > 52^8 = 53,459,728,531,456 ~ 5.3*10^13
20 > 95^12 = 540,360,087,662,636,962,890,625 ~ 5.4*10^23
21 >
22 > As said, that doesn't relate to practical security, just shows that in
23 > theory changing the password length does more in terms of complexity
24 > than changing the set of allowed chars.
25 > And every combinational restriction added again decreases the
26 > complexity.
27
28 Very true, but it also works with minimum length as well. Consider that if you
29 FORCE users to use a passphrase (say min length of 15 chars) then with very
30 few exceptions they will just use recognisable dictionary words. So while the
31 theoretical amount of possibilities is a lot higher, in reality a well
32 written brute force application would find it no harder in practise to
33 compromise the passwords. If you are concerned about password security then
34 get away from it. Look at something like :
35
36 http://www.wikidsystems.com
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38
39 I'm going to try and get it into the tree over the next few weeks.
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