1 |
I understand what you say, but I'm not sure I got my point across very |
2 |
well. Let's say I have a server that has various things installed like |
3 |
apache with the 2.0 branch, mysql with the 4.0 branch, and PHP with |
4 |
the 4.xbranch. If I do an emerge -u world on a machine with these, at |
5 |
some random |
6 |
point in time when the devs decide the newer branch is stable, then any one |
7 |
of these will be upgraded to the next branch. What I am asking, is why |
8 |
wouldn't it be better to have it where I will only stay on the current |
9 |
branch for that profile, and only move to the next branch when I change the |
10 |
profile? |
11 |
|
12 |
Like, say I have the 2005 profile, then I wouldn't have to worry about PHP |
13 |
upgrading to 5.0 or randomly requiring some virtual ebuild or whatever else |
14 |
is decided to be thrown our way. I would just have to worry about updating |
15 |
the 4.x branch at least until the devs decide to stop supporting it. |
16 |
|
17 |
I think another advantage to using this method would be that it would make |
18 |
it easier to transition from an application that has a monolithic ebuild to |
19 |
suddenly having a modular ebuild, or a virtual ebuild. At least this way, |
20 |
we wouldn't have to worry about fundamental things changing on us during an |
21 |
update until we change the profile and can expect these kinds of changes and |
22 |
can deal with them at a more convenient time instead of when the devs decide |
23 |
it's time to for us. |
24 |
|
25 |
Does that make any sense? |
26 |
|
27 |
|
28 |
On 12/25/06, Andrey Gerasimenko <gak@××××××.ru> wrote: |
29 |
> |
30 |
> On Mon, 25 Dec 2006 04:52:55 +0300, Mike Myers <fluffymikey@×××××.com> |
31 |
> wrote: |
32 |
> |
33 |
> > In Gentoo, the system is updated while you are |
34 |
> > using it. |
35 |
> > This causes us users to modify whatever we're running to suit all these |
36 |
> > changes. |
37 |
> |
38 |
> As far as I know, Gentoo releases a Reference Platform twice a year. So, |
39 |
> you can upgrade twice a year, once a year, once in two years - all as you |
40 |
> please. It will be similar to other distros, but better. |
41 |
> |
42 |
> > I'd rather be able to specify that I'm using like |
43 |
> > the 2005 |
44 |
> > profile, and then when I try to do emerge -u world, I don't have to deal |
45 |
> > with my applications going from one major version to another major |
46 |
> > version |
47 |
> > all by themselves and then breaking with no easy way to revert back. |
48 |
> |
49 |
> As discussed recently in another thread of this list, there are ways to |
50 |
> get back easily, backup of the portage tree being one of them. However, I |
51 |
> guess your problem can be solved easier - just do not do -u world. Since |
52 |
> its goal is exactly to produce what you do not want, why should you? How |
53 |
> many packages do you really want to be the latest? If there are a few, it |
54 |
> is easy to update them individually; if there are many, you may create a |
55 |
> virtual package in the overlay and update it. |
56 |
> |
57 |
> I do not here much about upgrade really breaking a Gentoo installation. If |
58 |
> it did, then a fresh install also would be broken, an extremely rare case |
59 |
> with stable arch. Thus, if something does not work after upgrade, then |
60 |
> configuration files are out of order. Gentoo already has everything |
61 |
> necessary to examine them one by one and fix as necessary. |
62 |
> |
63 |
> > Please tell me there's some solution to this? I haven't seen one |
64 |
> > mentioned |
65 |
> > anywhere yet. Even with Gentoo's occasional problems, I like it too |
66 |
> > much to |
67 |
> > use any other distro but I'd definitely like to see better version |
68 |
> > management than what its got, which is none. |
69 |
> |
70 |
> As far as I understand, no, there is no solution. If you upgrade any |
71 |
> software, you have to upgrade the dependencies and configuration. All that |
72 |
> can be offered, and is offered by many distros, is the upgrade option that |
73 |
> should work if you installed the distro and did not change anything. Even |
74 |
> that does not work pretty often, please read the reviews. For a Gentoo |
75 |
> user the reason is evident - they do not have dispatch-conf. Some vendors |
76 |
> have already stopped bragging that an upgrade does not break anything, |
77 |
> example - Vista. |
78 |
> |
79 |
> -- |
80 |
> Andrei Gerasimenko |
81 |
> -- |
82 |
> gentoo-user@g.o mailing list |
83 |
> |
84 |
> |