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Rich Freeman: |
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> There has been a |
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> desire for a long time to try to make it easier to contribute, but in |
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> the end people have to step up to make that happen. Those who are |
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> most passionate about it are of course the best candidates to try to |
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> drive change. |
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That's a common misconception in gentoo. Someone has an idea and no one |
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cares until he "makes it happen". A lot of ideas are not so trivial that |
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you can just "make it happen". You need consensus, a shift of thinking, |
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workflow and maybe even that people work TOGETHER on that idea. |
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But no, you keep saying "make it happen" and "by all means, start |
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working on it", completely ignoring the nature of the issues brought up. |
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I don't know of literally any big project except gentoo that still does |
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not _require_ a review workflow. Git would be the perfect excuse to |
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"make it happen", but that's something people have to agree on. |
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Instead we are worrying about stuff like repeated rebases, push |
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conflicts, push rate etc... so we will just end up using it wrong. |
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I don't think there is any hope left that this will become sane. |
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A review workflow (e.g. with appropriate high-level tools and maybe |
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paired with a distributed approach) will just make all your questions |
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about "how to contribute" go away. |
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But I'm sorry, this is probably too vague and I should instead go away |
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and "make it happen". |
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Sometimes it is NOT enough to try to improve things. Sometimes you have |
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to break with concepts. The last guy who tried to do that on a purely |
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technical level was ferringb and he ragequitted for good. The only |
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reason he could even come up with all those GLEPs (he wrote a LOT) was |
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because he got paid by google. |
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So, having 200+ core developers with push access is not just completely |
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wrong from the workflow perspective... it also makes it nearly |
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impossible to break with more fundamental concepts that are not |
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appropriate anymore. |
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So, to reiterate: if you want to change more fundamental concepts in |
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gentoo, you need a job at google and be resistant to burn-out. And now |
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you are telling me nothing is wrong with our contribution culture? |
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lol. |
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