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Frank Peters posted on Sat, 19 Oct 2013 13:01:33 -0400 as excerpted: |
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> Anyway, I would like to get started early with wayland. Doing an |
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> "emerge -pv" for both wayland and weston (and also GTK+3 with wayland |
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> enabled) does not show any requirements that I do not already have or |
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> could easily accommodate, and I may install everything now just to see |
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> what's what. |
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> I don't expect any definitive answer and I realize that I will have to |
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> do my own research, but would doing this simple emerge process with |
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> wayland/weston/gtk+3 provide, right now, a representative version of the |
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> final wayland/weston product? Or is the current Gentoo implementation |
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> just an incomplete step toward the final wayland? |
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As someone who is quite interested in wayland but has not yet bothered to |
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try it myself... |
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AFAIK, wayland as a protocol is maturing nicely, and weston as a |
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reference implementation compositing manager is developing as well. |
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However, applications using them are and by definition must be a step |
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behind, in ordered to avoid the chicken and the egg problem -- the |
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libraries must be available and stable first, before apps can build on |
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them. |
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AFAIK THAT is at present the weak bit -- the protocol is reasonably |
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mature and the compositing manager is fast getting there, so you should |
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have a fairly stable DEVELOPER/LIBRARY level representation. But at the |
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APP level, a lot of what's there is still stub or incomplete |
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implementation/port, at various stages of functionality and completeness |
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depending on the individual app you are trying at that moment. |
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So if your interest is say 40% or more developer level interest, it's |
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probably worth doing today. OTOH, if it's more than say 60% end user |
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application level interest, unless you really do have the motivation to |
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try it and the time to kill, you may not find much particularly |
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interesting to play with at this point. |
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Meanwhile, while the intended audience is more the binary distro type |
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than the gentooer type, for a quick spin, try the (kubuntu based) Rebecca |
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Black LiveCD distro, as it ships as a pre-built image so there's no |
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building to worry about, and has apps like (IIRC) chromium, etc, already |
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ported/built/configured and runnable on wayland. |
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I'd suggest that as a good first step. If you find it mature and |
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interesting enough to bother further investigation, THEN go for the |
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gentoo wayland build. OTOH, if there's nothing interesting there to play |
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with, you haven't wasted too much time building it just to find that out. |
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=:^) |
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A quick google on rebecca black wayland... |
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https://www.google.com/search?q=%22rebecca+black%22+wayland |
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Of course there's youtube videos listed there too, if you want an even |
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more introductory first step. =:^) Just be sure you're looking at |
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something current, as one of the first videos in the results here is from |
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the kubuntu 12.10 era and that's obviously going to be quite dated |
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compared to current wayland/rbos. But I see another from July, 2013, |
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which isn't /too/ long ago -- that should hopefully do quite nicely in |
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terms of pre-burn evaluation, even if it's not the /absolute/ latest. |
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Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. |
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"Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- |
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and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman |
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