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From: Rich Freeman <rich0@g.o>
To: gentoo-amd64@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: Boycott Systemd
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2014 02:29:02
Message-Id: CAGfcS_nyafKPa4S-N6QH5Sa8-RSGSBrBVq_dQENOtTZ_o+gPaw@mail.gmail.com
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: Boycott Systemd by Frank Peters
1 On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 9:15 PM, Frank Peters <frank.peters@×××××××.net> wrote:
2 >
3 > FOSS developers have to maintain an awareness that there is no One True
4 > Way. A computer has always been and always will be a general purpose machine.
5 > Therefore, the only rational philosophy for OS development is for an OS
6 > to empower the user to apply this generality for his own needs.
7 >
8
9 You're basically arguing that if somebody putting together an OS has a
10 working solution for something, they should spend just as much effort
11 maintaining 3 other solutions for that something, and ensure that none
12 of the solutions becomes any better than the others. OpenRC and
13 Portage should work just as well with only csh installed as it does
14 with bash installed, etc.
15
16 That just isn't realistic. Most distros would rather support 47
17 features that users want, and not 3 features implemented 5 different
18 ways each in a manner that is completely interchangeable. If a distro
19 did things the way you wanted, very few would bother to use it, and
20 likely fewer would bother to maintain it.
21
22 You'll always have alternative solutions in FOSS because volunteers
23 will work on things that interest them. Even after 99% of everything
24 supports systemd exclusively you'll still find people writing sysvinit
25 implementations from scratch in Ruby, just for the fun of it.
26 However, you'll never find those alternative solutions receiving
27 mainstream support, unless one actually tips the scale to the point
28 where it is considered an equal. Heck, look at postgres - most would
29 say that it is superior to mysql in many ways and yet many packages
30 still don't support it.
31
32 Nothing is preventing you from starting a "Foundation for Redundant
33 Solutions" - with the express aim of maintaining all the stuff nobody
34 uses any longer. I can't imagine you'll get a lot of donations - even
35 if people might agree with you philosophically at some level, they're
36 going to want to spend their money investing in stuff they actually
37 use.
38
39 --
40 Rich

Replies

Subject Author
Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: Boycott Systemd Harry Holt <harryholt@×××××.com>
Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: Boycott Systemd Frank Peters <frank.peters@×××××××.net>