Re: [gentoo-amd64] Heads-up: KDEers: Particularly kde3-ers,

[Bernhard Auzinger]

Am Sonntag, 23. August 2009 19:04:45 schrieb Volker Armin Hemmann:
> On Sonntag 23 August 2009, Duncan wrote:
> > Those of you kde-ers, particularly kde3-ers (aka stable kde-ers),
> > heads-up!
> >
> > If you aren't aware of the current gentoo kde (especially kde3)
> > situation, you *NEED* to subscribe to the gentoo-desktop list (normally
> > lower activity than here, so it shouldn't be a huge burden), AND check
> > the archives for the last couple months.
>
> bullshit
>
> > The short version:  kde3 is likely going to be masked, soon, apparently
> > very possibly before any kde4 is ever marked stable.  The current plan is
> > to leave kde3 in-tree but masked, probably until early next year, at
> > which point it'll move to an overlay, kde-sunset or similarly named,
> > where it'll be maintained primarily by interested users.
>
> maybe, you you don't have to be subscribed to -desktop to find that.
> Anyway, without an official announcement it is just a plan.
>
> <cut unimportant crap >
>
> > Of course, qt3 upon which kde3 depends is in similar or even worse shape
> > (except that it was in arguably better shape when it went unsupported, as
> > until then, people had been paid to keep it working, even if they'd have
> > otherwise preferred to be working on the newer versions), apparently not
> > supported any longer by its own (commercial FLOSS) upstream.
>
> and here we come to the real stuff. qt3 is planned to be removed from the
> tree. Nothing else.
>
> > Unfortunately, all this is complicated by the state of kde4, in many ways
> > a mirror image of kde3 -- specifically like a mirror image in that it's
> > similar, but nicely reversed.  kde4 is getting all sorts of developer
> > attention, but again despite what upstream says, it's anything /but/ as
> > stable and smoothly functional and polished as kde3 is.
>
> bullshit
>
> > I'm normally an
> > early adopter, running ~arch and in fact often unmasking and even
> > reaching into overlays for fresh versions, often beta or rc, sometimes
> > even live-vcs versions direct from the upstream repositories.
>
> you are also writing way too much.
>
> >4.3 (as every kde4 version so far) is markedly
> > better than the previous version, but there's still a LOT of broken
> > functionality, features still rapidly evolving, etc.
>
> extreme bullshit
>
> > kde4.3 therefore at what I'd normally consider the late-beta stage.
> > User's who actually used and depended on the previous version for
> > anything beyond basic functionality shouldn't be upgrading yet unless
> > they're prepared to spend HOURS, in this case, DAYS, even WEEKS,
>
> even more bullshit.
>
> emerge @kde4.3
>
> some hours later: perfectly  fine working kde 4.3. No bugs, stable, all
> funtionality needed there.
>
> So instead of talking you typical annoying much worded crap, could you
> please point out the problems with 4.3? Examples?
>
> > upgrading, finding fixes and workarounds for bugs, even switching to
> > alternative software solutions at times when the functionality simply
> > isn't there. I estimate I've spent about 80 hours on the upgrade and
> > reconfiguring, all told.
>
> nice. I spent maybe 3h. All told.
>
> > switch, and users WILL need to spend SOME time reconfiguring and
> > adapting, but perhaps 20-40 hours is reasonable, NOT 80!  80 hours, two
> > weeks of full-time 40-hour-week equivalent work, simply indicates how
> > immature and broken some aspects of the project still are,
>
> and more bullshit.
>
> So, name your examples.
>
> And I didn't even bother to read the rest.
>
> duncan, if I want to read a book, I buy a book, This is an INTERNATIONAL
> list. We are not living in nightmare land where everybody's first language
> is english.
> Reading your emails takes more time than installing kde.
>
> All you had said to this point could have been said in two simple sentences
> too:
>
> kde 3.5 is planned to go away into an overlay because qt3 is not supported
> anymore
> kde 4.X has still some problems.
>
> See? See the difference to you writings? Short, compact, same message. Oh,
> and of course I left out the bullshit.
>
> But no, you do have to write a freaking essay.
>
> In the future: keep it short.

In my opinion duncan is one of the people around here which make this list 
very useful and the information he is sharing within his emails is one of the 
reasons why I didn't unsubscribe yet.

I like duncans emails :).

Rgds
Bernhard