Re: [gentoo-amd64] Please get me straight about sysvinit vs. systemd, udev vs eudev vs mdev, virtuals and other things...

[Rich Freeman]

On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 12:15 PM, Tanstaafl <tanstaafl@×××××××××××.org> wrote:
> Imnsho, since it is a KERNEL thingie, it should have been maintained as a
> totally separate package, or just admit the long term goal and be done with
> it.

Well, that would require somebody to actually do the work.  Just about
everybody involved in contributing to udev supports the change.  There
is of course eudev which is more-or-less what you're already looking
for.  The only issues with that are the name isn't "udev" and any
projects that vertically integrate might not work with it (Gnome,
etc).

> Now I'd really, really, REALLY like to hear what Linus thinks about
> systemd/udev NOW. The only things I can find from him are 4 or so years old.
> I can't imagine that stuff like this doesn't irk him too...
>
> Would someone who stands a chance at getting a response out of him *please*
> ping him for an opinion on this stuff? Blog or LKML post would be fine...

Honestly, there is no shortage of people offering their opinions.
What there is a shortage of is people actually doing work to make
(e)udev do anything differently.  In the end people can complain as
much as they want, but unless they fork over effort or dollars or
something they won't get terribly far.  That's why Mint/Mate/etc are
all so popular these days - somebody took the time to fork.  In the
case of eudev there really isn't enough manpower to do anything beyond
tweaking the upstream releases to not use the new paths/etc.  I doubt
that anybody is actually adding features to eudev that aren't already
in udev, which greatly reduces the likelihood of upstream packages
targeting it.

If it were in the kernel then Linus's opinion would carry a lot more
weight (like when he basically modified the ext3/4 code over the
objections of the maintainers to use ordered commits by default (it
has been a while and I'm foggy on the details) - a decision that I
fully support for what little that matters).

Rich