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From: Tanstaafl <tanstaafl@×××××××××××.org>
To: gentoo-amd64@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-amd64] Please get me straight about sysvinit vs. systemd, udev vs eudev vs mdev, virtuals and other things...
Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2014 17:16:33
Message-Id: 5314B8C6.3040803@libertytrek.org
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-amd64] Please get me straight about sysvinit vs. systemd, udev vs eudev vs mdev, virtuals and other things... by Rich Freeman
1 On 3/2/2014 1:10 PM, Rich Freeman <rich0@g.o> wrote:
2 > The big change in udev-210 is how persistent network device names are
3 > implemented. The file that implements the rules is changing names,
4 > which has an impact on your if you're trying to override it (your
5 > override will no longer work if you don't change the name to follow
6 > suit). Also, the new rule file now pulls in config settings from a
7 > file that contains "systemd" in the filename.
8
9 <snip>
10
11 > The file contains systemd in the name because it is also used by
12 > systemd for network settings.
13
14 Well... !?@?#?$?%
15
16 Here we go again. Talk about 'a driving force to subsume everything it
17 touches'!?
18
19 So, "we use some files, so we change the name of every file we use to
20 have our name in it?"
21
22 In other words... why stop at that one file?
23
24 How much sense does *that* make? Seriously, that *really* irks me...
25
26 I think I'll go and Prepend 'Charles-' to the name of every document
27 I've ever created... can anyone say 'egotistical'?
28
29 > Ok, just some definitions:
30 > udev - the upstream project that you're familiar with - it has
31 > recently merged with systemd, which has resulted in some changes that
32 > some find objectionable (changes in install paths, incorporation of
33 > systemd in file/path names, etc)
34
35 This is I think the crux of the problem.
36
37 Why did udev *merge* with systemd, if there is no long term goal of
38 completely and totally subsuming it such that you cannot use udev
39 without also using systemd?
40
41 Imnsho, since it is a KERNEL thingie, it should have been maintained as
42 a totally separate package, or just admit the long term goal and be done
43 with it.
44
45 > Udev is changing upstream - presumably because the new kernel features
46 > are helpful in some way. I haven't read the details.
47
48 Now I'd really, really, REALLY like to hear what Linus thinks about
49 systemd/udev NOW. The only things I can find from him are 4 or so years
50 old. I can't imagine that stuff like this doesn't irk him too...
51
52 Would someone who stands a chance at getting a response out of him
53 *please* ping him for an opinion on this stuff? Blog or LKML post would
54 be fine...

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