1 |
On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 1:33 PM, William Hubbs <williamh@g.o> wrote: |
2 |
> On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 11:44:55AM -0400, Matt Turner wrote: |
3 |
>> On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 12:57 AM, Sebastian Pipping <sping@g.o> wrote: |
4 |
>> >> * Now we need to have a build time dependency, at least for the live |
5 |
>> >> ebuild, which pulls in about 34mb of downloads just to build the man |
6 |
>> >> page. |
7 |
>> >> |
8 |
>> >> Since we are just talking about a man page, imho this is a lot of bloat |
9 |
>> >> for very little gain. |
10 |
>> > |
11 |
>> > I disagree on bloat and on little gain. |
12 |
>> > |
13 |
>> > If you insist on changing status quo I would like to call in a vote. |
14 |
>> |
15 |
>> Well, in fairness, the asciidoc dependency was just added a day or so ago. |
16 |
> |
17 |
> Yes, it was added a couple of days ago, without giving a reasonable |
18 |
> amount of time for discussion. |
19 |
|
20 |
He got a single response from a Gentoo developer which is infinitely |
21 |
more discussion than a large number of posts on this list receive. |
22 |
|
23 |
Even there, the post said |
24 |
|
25 |
> For me if man page was not touched since 2005 means that it's completely |
26 |
> unmaintained and thus since you are interested in maintaining - just go |
27 |
> ahead! |
28 |
|
29 |
This really is applicable to catalyst too. It'd been almost entirely |
30 |
unmaintained, less trivial changes, for quite sometime. |
31 |
|
32 |
> I'll post the links to the rfc [1], the approval message [2] and the |
33 |
> message where the change was checked in [3] below. Notice that this all |
34 |
> happened within a period less than 24 hours. |
35 |
> |
36 |
> For a significant change like this, I |
37 |
> think we should give 24-48 hours and make the patch visible somewhere so |
38 |
> that others can look at the change and comment on it before it gets |
39 |
> checked in. Remember that we have people here in multiple time zones, |
40 |
> and we don't necessarily check these lists every day. |
41 |
> |
42 |
> Based on this as well as my previous objections I would like to see this |
43 |
> change reverted. |
44 |
> |
45 |
> William |
46 |
> |
47 |
> [1] http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-catalyst/msg_78cd6eae401bfa7a499418bc6cbc225e.xml |
48 |
> [2] http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-catalyst/msg_65f2fce710454e481973d0e2c6cc5265.xml |
49 |
> [3] http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-catalyst/msg_f2eb026c4c4af90650952ca81a5fd6b6.xml |
50 |
|
51 |
Let's not go down this route. This seems like much ado about nothing. |
52 |
|
53 |
I claim that |
54 |
(1) app-text/asciidoc and its dependencies are not unreasonable for |
55 |
catalyst-9999 |
56 |
(2) app-text/asciidoc and its dependencies should be avoided for |
57 |
catalyst snapshots/releases |
58 |
(3) we can simply modify the timestamp of the generated files to be |
59 |
that of the most recent commit that `git archive` has access to, |
60 |
thereby allowing us to reproduce identical tarballs |
61 |
(4) checking in generated content into git is dirty. We should not do this |
62 |
|
63 |
Do you disagree with any of these points, and if so, which? |
64 |
|
65 |
Matt |