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On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 2:10 PM, Fabio Erculiani <lxnay@××××××××××××.org> wrote: |
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> [02:31] <Halcy0n> lxnay: we offer all of our work that you base your |
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> distribution off, and you don't contribute back at all, in any way. |
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> ^^ This is a really stupid sentence. |
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While I would agree Halcy0n's statement is slightly exaggerated, it's |
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somewhat true. There are exactly 26 non-duplicates in our bugzilla |
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that you either filed or commented on. You have to admit that for |
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somebody who's been a user for 7 years and who's been "architecting" |
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(your word) a distribution based on Gentoo for 3 years (or more ? |
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can't remember) this is a ridiculously low number. How do you want us |
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to help you if you don't give us any feedback on what you need ? We're |
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not very good at communicating but we have at least set up some tools |
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for you to use, and the most important of them in your particular case |
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is I believe bugzilla. And don't ask us to read you blog, we can't |
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possibly read everybody's blog. Feedback is part of the game in the |
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open source world. Gentoo itself gives a lot of feedback to upstream |
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projects using upstream's communications tools. If you don't play the |
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game, one thing is sure is that you'll never win. |
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> It seems some of you don't even |
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> realize how many users we brought to Gentoo, and this is really sad. |
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I'm not sure we should thank you for this. Not that we don't care, but |
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our aim isn't really to compete against say Ubuntu in the users |
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department. Some of us are really happy of the success of Sabayon, |
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there's a place for everybody. We don't make any money out of Gentoo, |
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and do not intend to. We're only a bunch of volunteers who waste their |
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free time doing something they think may be needed. It seems you don't |
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even realize how many users we brought to Sabayon, and this is really |
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sad. |
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> You see, people like Halcy0n, agaffney, zlin keep us away from |
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> interacting with you. |
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I wouldn't agree with you here. But even if you were right, we live in |
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stupid world and Gentoo doesn't claim to be better than what it's made |
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of. Note that we're trying to though. But in the end there are always |
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going to be obnoxious people everywhere. If you give up on the nice |
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guys because of the bad guys, you lose and the bad guys win. That's |
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life. |
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> If you want to stop bad press, you (all) should firstly become more |
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> gentle with users and external contributors. |
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I'm trying to believe you are not threatening here because *that* |
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would be stupid. We'd love to be gentle with you. You've just got to |
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make it happen. |
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Denis. |
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