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From: Grant Goodyear <g2boojum@g.o>
To: Steve <l8tr2000@×××××.com>
Cc: drobbins@g.o, gentoo-dev@g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] SFVLUG presentation
Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2002 11:13:51
Message-Id: 1026058626.2782.64.camel@server.grantgoodyear.org
In Reply to: [gentoo-dev] SFVLUG presentation by Steve
1 I can't speak for Daniel Robbins, but here are some of
2 my own observations:
3
4 > When was the project started (was the plan always to
5 > create a distribution)?
6
7 You can read about the early history of Gentoo, to some
8 extent, in the "Making the distribution" articles listed
9 in the articles section of gentoo.org.
10
11 > When did the project reach critical mass?
12
13 In early 2001 I knew every developer's nick in #gentoo.
14 Even then, however, the distribution had already reached
15 a critical stage -- it was sufficiently advanced and well-
16 designed that it could have survived even if Daniel Robbins
17 had decided he was tired of it (which, of course, did not
18 happen).
19
20 The explosion in popularity occurred about the time we
21 released 1.0, but I don't remember exactly when that was.
22
23 > The site plainly states that Gentoo is for the
24 > experienced user, as Gentoo matures are there plans to
25 > make it more accessible to a broader range of user
26 > experience levels?
27
28 There are people working on a gui installer (including
29 the folks at www.latinux.com.ve), but Gentoo will always
30 offer a manual install option. We are actively working
31 on making quality control more of a priority, which
32 should make the distribution more accessible. That
33 said, we will _not_ sacrifice Gentoo's flexibility for
34 accessibility. Many users have described Gentoo as
35 "maintainable LFS", where the user has control over
36 essentially everything, which is precisely where we
37 want to be.
38
39 > Through daily operations I've noticed a hands off
40 > approach to package and or system script
41 > configurations, a number of standards across other
42 > distributions are left at default. I started to
43 > notice this, even during my install when I added a
44 > user and noticed that his home path wasn't even
45 > defined, when delving further I discovered that almost
46 > everything related to this function was left at
47 > default as is much of the system after the install.
48 > Will this approach remain into the future?
49
50 One of these days somebody will add a decent adduser
51 script to Gentoo Linux. I keep meaning to hack the
52 openbsd script to work with Gentoo, but I never seem
53 to get around to it.
54
55 To answer the question you asked, we do prefer to
56 leave configuration up to the user, although we
57 generally do also make sure that packages have a
58 sane default configuration.
59
60 > How large is your core team, and active developer
61 > base. (is it larger than listed on the sites
62 > developers page)?
63
64 The developer page is actively maintained, so it
65 should be up-to-date.
66
67 > Lately it seems that distributions come and go, a few
68 > that come to mind are (Sorcerer, Storm, Corel) how
69 > strong is Gentoo's current position, and developer
70 > support?
71
72 I think it's pretty good. More importantly, though,
73 all of Gentoo is GPL, so even if all the current developers
74 decided to go elsewhere the distribution could survive.
75 Additionally, no other distribution has the flexibility
76 of Gentoo Linux, so I think it's unlikely that Gentoo will
77 become "just another distribution" anytime soon.
78
79 > Are there any plans to simplify the installation
80 > process?
81
82 See above. It's not a high priority for us right now,
83 however. Also, the current install method will always
84 be available.
85
86 > I've been lurking in #gentoo for what must be a year
87 > now, logging conversations for useful install info,
88 > and watching devel/user interactions. I've noticed
89 > that developer accessiblity and the number of
90 > experienced users in channel has dropped, although
91 > theres also been the creation of a forum onsite, and a
92 > number of new channels on OPN. What is the reason for
93 > this shift (maturation of the dist and less demand for
94 > support, fervored development leaving less time for
95 > user interaction, a change in support venue etc.. )?
96
97 Um, information overload? As I write this reply there
98 are 268 users in #gentoo. Gentoo information is now
99 spread across #gentoo, the forums, the mailing lists,
100 and bugs.gentoo.org. I make a serious effort to monitor
101 the mailing lists and bugs.gentoo.org, and that's often more
102 than I can really manage on a daily basis. I know there
103 are developers who can only keep up with bugs.gentoo.org,
104 which is why we so strongly urge that when people find
105 problems they report them there.
106
107 Okay, I need to get back to work. I hope some of this helps.
108
109 -g2boojum-

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