Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [PR] ivy, mvn, sbt, gradle builders improvement for ebuild development

[Samuel Bernardo]

Hi Michael,

On 4/19/20 9:09 PM, Michael Orlitzky wrote:
> You can do whatever you want in an overlay, but you can't introduce
> security vulnerabilities and license issues into thousands of peoples'
> homes and businesses through ::gentoo because it makes your life a tiny
> bit easier.
>
> The job description of distribution developer is, ultimately, to fix all
> the dumb things that upstream does before packaging the result so that
> your users get a consistent, usable, reliable, and secure product. But
> the first step isn't optional. Re-packaging garbage is easy -- that's a
> service nobody needs.
>
> Using ebuilds this way is also simply a waste of your time. If you're
> not going to package the dependencies, then you're better off using the
> upstream bundling tool. At least then you can update the hundreds of
> bundled dependencies afterwards. With an ebuild that's not possible.
I agree, I have the same concern and that's why I prefer to have an
ebuild instead of using the docker container or running blindly the
provided upstream bundling tool. Avoiding to package all unnecessary
dependencies and keeping away the garbage can only be possible as you
mentioned using the distribution tools. At least, with a Gentoo overlay,
I can have software better than upstream provided and continue my work.
> I don't mean to discourage you any more than necessary. I'm glad you
> want to help. But please quit looking to Go as an example of anything
> anyone should be doing.

Thanks for your advice, but I believe that we win more with the ebuild
for the development tools and base services, even if it will only be
available in the overlay. Is better to have the eyes of experienced
maintainers, Gentoo QA and sharing information, instead of keeping it
standalone, perpetuating the bad procedures and software usage.

I really feel like scoring when reviewing what I need to do for the
ebuild, also when it makes me spent some more time. The profit comes
afterwards!

Best,
Samuel