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From: Bernd Steinhauser <gentoo@×××××××××××××××××.de>
To: gentoo-dev@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] EAPI-2 - Let's get it started
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 13:04:13
Message-Id: 484FCD3F.10805@bernd-steinhauser.de
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-dev] EAPI-2 - Let's get it started by Patrick Lauer
1 Patrick Lauer schrieb:
2 > Bernd Steinhauser wrote:
3 >> Luca Barbato schrieb:
4 >>> Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
5 >>>> The point is to make pkgcore a better package manager by getting the
6 >>>> developers to do some basic testing. We're not talking some obscure,
7 >>>> weird bug here. We're talking a really obvious, major screwup that a
8 >>>> couple of quick unit tests would catch straight away.
9 >>>
10 >>> No, you aren't talking, you are babbling about undefined flaws that
11 >>> nobody can evaluate, for which you aren't providing a way to
12 >>> reproduce it and possibly doesn't exist.
13 >>>
14 >>> lu
15 >>>
16 >> So in your opinion, the pkgcore maintainers should just say "Screw it,
17 >> it was just Ciaran who said that." and move on?
18 > No, it's just unsubstantiated rumors. As such they are irrelevant until
19 > some kind of proof is shown.
20 It might be, but it might also be a bug.
21 Of course the maintainers can choose if they go after it.
22
23 BTW: The Paludis maintainers did have a look at the "security hole" you
24 pointed out, even though everyone knows, that you spread lies about
25 Paludis...
26
27 >> Why is "Create tests for EAPI=1 stuff." not a way to describe how to
28 >> reproduce a problem?
29 > It is too generic and doesn't even describe the class of bug. By the
30 > same rationale portage and paludis have multiple bugs ...
31 It is indeed generic, but then you should test every part of EAPI.
32 The main point was, that test are missing and the fact, that there is
33 might be a bug, that they didn't catch yet is a follow up.
34
35 Of course, filing a bug report for a single issue might get that issue
36 fixed, but what caused this issue to be still there (missing tests) will
37 still be there.
38
39 >> Talking away problems, now that is a way to handle QA.
40 > So, could anyone just actually mention what the problem is, or is the
41 > hivemind not able to express such a simple thing?
42 >
43 > Just think of the thousands of emails, being read by hundreds of
44 > readers, that have cost so much time ... in that time you could have
45 > written a patch and a bugreport.
46 Again, one patch and one bug report wouldn't wipe out the problem in the
47 long term view.
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