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On 12/15/2012 01:33 AM, Walter Dnes wrote: |
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> On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 05:16:48AM +0100, Peter Stuge wrote |
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>> I hope that eudev wants to do the respectable thing for any fork, ie. |
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>> work hard to minimize the amount of wasted effort in both projects by |
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>> sharing much code and bugfixes. |
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> That would be nice if systemd/udev upstream was agreeable. On the |
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> other hand, if the systemd/udev maintainers had accepted bug reports |
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> ("WONTFIX" is not acceptance) and had accepted proposed patches, there |
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> wouldn't have been a need for the eudev fork in the first place. |
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> Lennart Poettering has admitted systemd's outright hostility to to |
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> standalone udev... |
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> http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2012-August/006066.html |
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>> Well, we intent to continue to make it possible to run udevd outside |
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>> of systemd. But that's about it. We will ***NOT POLISH THAT, OR ADD |
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>> NEW FEATURES*** to that or anything. |
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>> OTOH we do polish behaviour of udev when used *within* systemd |
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>> however, and that's our primary focus. |
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>> And what we will ***CERTAINLY NOT DO IS COMPROMISE THE UNIFORM |
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>> INTEGRATION INTO SYSTEMD FOR SOME COSMETIC IMPROVEMENTS FOR |
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>> NON-SYSTEMD SYSTEMS***. |
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>> (Yes, udev on non-systemd systems is in our eyes a dead end, in case |
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>> you haven't noticed it yet. I am looking forward to the day when we |
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>> can drop that support entirely.) |
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> They've essentially announced ahead of time that most bugs from |
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> non-systemd users would be closed with WONTFIX. Actually, for political |
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> reasons, I hope that eudev does submit a bunch bugs+patches, and gets |
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> them rejected. Then whenever anyone complains about not sharing code, |
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> show them a bunch of WONTFIX emails from systemd/udev maintainers. |
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I'm not interested in forming that kind of relationship with the systemd |
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people. I actually have some issues I'm thinking of passing their way. |
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But I will limit myself to only those thing which I believe will make |
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systemd/udev better. I hope they pass the same sort of bugreports/fixes |
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our way for a standalone udev consistent with our project goals. |
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I respect Poettering's position in that email whether or he respect |
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mine. They have their priorities and we have our. I say that without |
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any hard feelings. Its the way things should work in open source. The |
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only downside to forking is a division of effort. It pulls me away from |
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my other projects. But that's my freedom. And now I'd better stop |
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before I start sounding like Stallman. |
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Anthony G. Basile, Ph.D. |
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Gentoo Linux Developer [Hardened] |
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E-Mail : blueness@g.o |
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