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From: Paul de Vrieze <pauldv@g.o>
To: gentoo-dev@g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] preference concerns over "gentoo-ization" of packages
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 15:53:30
Message-Id: 200309281753.11689.pauldv@gentoo.org
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-dev] preference concerns over "gentoo-ization" of packages by Aron Griffis
1 On Sunday 28 September 2003 17:23, Aron Griffis wrote:
2 > Larry's complaint above pertains to things he can't change after the
3 > installation of a package. Binary-only distros provide you with a
4 > package that is customized with a set of static configure options,
5 > compiled with a set of flags, and linked against libraries that are not
6 > left to the choosing of the user. That is the problem that Portage
7 > solves by building packages on the user's machine, with USE-flags to
8 > guide the build process.
9
10 many customizations are also allready performed by patches to the sources, not
11 only by configuration file changes.
12
13 >
14 > On the other hand, what you're talking about is run-time functionality.
15 > In general, the changes in the ebuilds modify run-time configuration.
16 > It's not the appropriate place for a USE-flag (in most circumstances)
17 > and furthermore, it's not hard for savvy users to change to their
18 > preferred configuration. In Gentoo, it has always been up to the
19 > discretion of the responsible devs to choose what default configuration
20 > they feel is appropriate for each individual package.
21
22 This is allways the case. However look at the following:
23
24 When you log out of kde, and you started your system with kdm (kde display
25 manager) you get presented a nice dialog with the options to log out, reboot,
26 or shutdown. However if you started the system with any other displaymanager,
27 such as gdm, you don't get the menu. It would be conceivable that we at a
28 point in time added patches to kdm so that it does the same with gdm (which
29 provides the capabilities as gnome offers it too, but only for gdm). This is
30 nonstandard, but desirable behaviour for most users. In some cases people
31 want standard behaviour, for that we have a useflag.
32
33 Another thing is the fact that a script of gentoo overwrites the kdm config's
34 session variable everytime. This provides consistent and easy behaviour by
35 making all installed sessions automatically available, but is not appropriate
36 in all cases. There must be a place to turn this behaviour of. Either through
37 a USE variable at run time, or through a central configuration variable.
38
39 Paul
40
41 --
42 Paul de Vrieze
43 Gentoo Developer
44 Mail: pauldv@g.o
45 Homepage: http://www.devrieze.net

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Re: [gentoo-dev] preference concerns over "gentoo-ization" of packages foser <foser@×××××××××××××××××.net>
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