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M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote: |
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>Matthew Marlowe wrote: |
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>>A clueful sysadmin with gentoo is a far superior arrangement |
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>>provided the rate of hardware installs isn't too much. For very large |
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>>environments with 100+ boxes, I'd definitly agree with you that |
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>>gentoo has a long way to go. |
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>Well ... as far as I'm concerned, "clueful sysadmin" == Gentoo Certified |
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>Engineer. That's something we *can* do -- start certifying people the |
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>same way Red Hat does. |
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not a good idea (though not a horrible one either). the problem is that |
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1) there is no target audience (ie, you won't make money from the |
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hobbiest gentoo users that know they are clueful) and very few |
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enterprises run gentoo (before anyone freaks out about this >1000 is |
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very very few). not a big enough audience to justify the cost. |
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We actually thought about this a long time ago, maybe a couple years. I |
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talked to one of the guys that worked on the LPI tests and they said |
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there were large costs >$10000 associated with getting the test ready |
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for even beta testing (psychometrics and such are very expensive) and |
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then whatever deals with the test facilities. |
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and what does it give us exactly? |
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and ultimately having a certification really means support.., |
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maybe in a few years when we have loads of cash and people willing to |
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put god aweful hours into making it happen.. |
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Joshua |
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>For large environments with 100+ boxes, as long as they're all x86 and |
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>i686 or better, you could have a small-to-medium compile farm with |
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>/usr/portage/packages exported via NFS. |
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>>I think Gentoo shouldn't rule out providing some support and flexibility |
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>>for any need that a significant amount of its userbase is interested in. |
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>>And, I know there are a significant number of devs already who |
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>>have at least some interest in enterprise support do to conversations |
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>>I've had via IRC. |
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>>I definitly don't expect that the entire gentoo community or dev base |
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>>should go substantially out of their way or change organizational structure |
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>>to facilitate enterprise capabilities. Just allow some startup biz that |
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>>eventually comes along to be able to provide a backported snapshot |
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>>based tree for their own customers. |
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>I think you underestimate the difficulty of running a successful |
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>"startup biz". I don't think Ubuntu would have gotten where they are if |
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>the founder hadn't been rich to start with. |
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>>>>Also I find it amusing when people say that Gentoo exists for the |
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>>>>users. I think that is wrong. Gentoo exists for the *developers*. |
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>>>>It's our playground, and it's the reason we use a live tree rather |
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>>>>than switching to an actually sane approach. The users are cool |
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>>>>because they point out bugs, help solve problems on bugzilla, suggest |
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>>>>enhancements, provide patches, and notify us of package updates. |
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>>>>Sometimes they become developers. But the truth is that Gentoo sees |
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>>>>improvement and maintenance in the areas that appeal to the |
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>>>>developers. And that is why Gentoo exists for the developers first, |
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>>>>the users second. |
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>>Thats part of the reason that I'm a developer - because I like interacting |
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>>with the dev community here. But, the users have their own role and |
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>>the above could be taken the wrong way. |
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>Well ... as a user, I certainly didn't take it the wrong way. |
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