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Matthew Marlowe wrote: |
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>A clueful sysadmin with gentoo is a far superior arrangement |
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>provided the rate of hardware installs isn't too much. For very large |
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>environments with 100+ boxes, I'd definitly agree with you that |
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>gentoo has a long way to go. |
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Well ... as far as I'm concerned, "clueful sysadmin" == Gentoo Certified |
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Engineer. That's something we *can* do -- start certifying people the |
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same way Red Hat does. |
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For large environments with 100+ boxes, as long as they're all x86 and |
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i686 or better, you could have a small-to-medium compile farm with |
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/usr/portage/packages exported via NFS. |
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>I think Gentoo shouldn't rule out providing some support and flexibility |
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>for any need that a significant amount of its userbase is interested in. |
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>And, I know there are a significant number of devs already who |
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>have at least some interest in enterprise support do to conversations |
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>I've had via IRC. |
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>I definitly don't expect that the entire gentoo community or dev base |
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>should go substantially out of their way or change organizational structure |
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>to facilitate enterprise capabilities. Just allow some startup biz that |
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>eventually comes along to be able to provide a backported snapshot |
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>based tree for their own customers. |
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I think you underestimate the difficulty of running a successful |
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"startup biz". I don't think Ubuntu would have gotten where they are if |
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the founder hadn't been rich to start with. |
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>>>Also I find it amusing when people say that Gentoo exists for the |
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>>>users. I think that is wrong. Gentoo exists for the *developers*. |
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>>>It's our playground, and it's the reason we use a live tree rather |
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>>>than switching to an actually sane approach. The users are cool |
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>>>because they point out bugs, help solve problems on bugzilla, suggest |
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>>>enhancements, provide patches, and notify us of package updates. |
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>>>Sometimes they become developers. But the truth is that Gentoo sees |
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>>>improvement and maintenance in the areas that appeal to the |
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>>>developers. And that is why Gentoo exists for the developers first, |
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>>>the users second. |
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>Thats part of the reason that I'm a developer - because I like interacting |
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>with the dev community here. But, the users have their own role and |
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>the above could be taken the wrong way. |
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Well ... as a user, I certainly didn't take it the wrong way. |
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