Re: [gentoo-dev] Anti-spam changes: proposal to drop spammy mail

[Matthew Thode]

On 05/11/2015 10:21 AM, C Bergström wrote:
> On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 9:59 PM, Rich Freeman <rich0@g.o> wrote:
>> On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 10:44 AM, C Bergström <cbergstrom@×××××××××.com> wrote:
>>> What I'm describing is not "gmail" - it's everything that gmail has
>>> and offers, but @gentoo.org domain. I'm using it right now in fact.
>>>
>>> You get the web interface, IMAP, POP, 2 token authentication (if you
>>> want to enabled it) and lots of other things. etc etc
>>
>> How about the source code?
>
> Do you have the source for github?
No, but we get flack for that all the time, I'd personally like to see
us use bitbucket as they have a more opensource and doc'd stack.
>
>>
>>>
>>> It used to be free, but now google charges for it with an exception
>>> for non-profits.
>>
>> The social contract isn't about free-of-cost.  In fact, Gentoo pays
>> for a number of services (often below commercial rates, but not
>> everybody can afford to donate 100% of what we need).  We've even paid
>> for a bug bounty on one occasion.  The social contract is about
>> free-as-in-freedom.  We don't depend on proprietary services as much
>> as possible.
>>
>> We even have debates over the use of github, since the pull request
>> side isn't really FOSS.  It is tolerated mainly because we have FOSS
>> alternatives as well, and bugzilla is still the primary bug
>> tracker/etc.  To the extent that github is just used as a hosting
>> provider for git it is completely compatible with the social contract,
>> and would be so even if we were paying for it.
>
> There are "free" alternatives and this is the exact same thing as
> github. IMAP and POP are comparable to git as google hosted apps is
> comparable to github. There's a line between being passionate and
> ignoring a sensible good alternative. I can't say where to draw that
> line, but imho I hope pragmatic people will take a look instead of
> just dismissing it.
>
> Oh and btw - the whole problem comes because people are forwarding to
> gmail. Is that open source? It's clear a large number of people
> already use and depend on the exact same service I'm suggesting. How
> on earth could those same people object... (I don't see the open
> source communit up in arms over yahoo mail and gmail..)
>
> /* I'm just trying to level the conversation in terms of "social
> contract" and what people generally find acceptable */
> Do you own a phone that connects to this email? Android, iOS.. etc
> aren't "open source", but somehow we survive..
>


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