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From: Doug Goldstein <cardoe@g.o>
To: gentoo-dev@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in media-tv/mythtv: ChangeLog mythtv-0.20.2_p14668.ebuild mythtv-0.21_pre14666.ebuild mythtv-0.21_pre14480-r1.ebuild
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 21:10:44
Message-Id: 4713D43A.9080107@gentoo.org
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in media-tv/mythtv: ChangeLog mythtv-0.20.2_p14668.ebuild mythtv-0.21_pre14666.ebuild mythtv-0.21_pre14480-r1.ebuild by Alec Warner
1 Alec Warner wrote:
2 > On 10/15/07, Doug Goldstein <cardoe@g.o> wrote:
3 >
4 >> Jonathan Adamczewski wrote:
5 >>
6 >>> Doug Goldstein wrote:
7 >>>
8 >>>
9 >>>> That's what this commits review list feels like.
10 >>>>
11 >>>>
12 >>>>
13 >>> Nearly every suggestion (from Donnie and others) has been over some
14 >>> issue that relates directly to either correctness or maintainability.
15 >>> It doesn't matter if you can "rattle off capabilities to a millimeter" -
16 >>> if they're not documented somewhere (like, say, in the comments of the
17 >>> ebuild) then the maintainer that comes after you gets to go and break it
18 >>> all over again.
19 >>>
20 >>>
21 >>> jonathan.
22 >>>
23 >>>
24 >> Correctness? Fine. Go ahead. Stick $(use_enable xvmc) into the ebuild.
25 >> Do it. I dare you. Then try to compile.
26 >>
27 >> Guess what? When it blows up... that's called INcorrect. The opposite of
28 >> the right thing.
29 >>
30 >> The maintainer who comes after me would be someone with a experience
31 >> with the package. Some bumkin isn't going to come to maintain package
32 >> XYZ unless they know or use the package, and guess what? That means
33 >> experience.
34 >>
35 >
36 > I think this assumption is false. People maintain packages they don't
37 > know the intricate details of all the time. You are of course, free
38 > to ignore any and all suggestions offered; but you are not allowed to
39 > silence them.
40 >
41 > -Alec
42 >
43 I must have not received my silence/moderate remote control for the
44 Gentoo mailing lists. Since I haven't received it, I clearly can't
45 silence anyone on the mailing lists.
46
47 I still stand by my original feeling that we'd better the community NOT
48 only the developers doing the commits by updating the devmanual, which
49 is accessible to all developers and all users in the Gentoo community.
50 In addition to updating and cleaning up repoman checks, which is a tool
51 that everyone in the community can use. This is versus individual
52 examples in random ebuilds in random e-mails that all have almost an
53 identical subject on the mailing list.
54
55 The commits review is flawed because if we're not documenting this stuff
56 in one central place, then when new developers join. The same lessons
57 have to be learned over and over again.
58
59 Then again, this depends on the QA guys actually doing something about
60 the outstanding bugs.
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