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From: Stuart Herbert <stuart.herbert@×××××.com>
To: gentoo-dev@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] New project: Gentoo Seeds
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 15:16:46
Message-Id: b38c6f4c0609200813m6fad1ai8940a55b56800ee1@mail.gmail.com
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-dev] New project: Gentoo Seeds by Chris Gianelloni
1 On 9/20/06, Chris Gianelloni <wolf31o2@g.o> wrote:
2 > > Catalyst doesn't provide ongoing maintenance or migration of installed
3 > > systems ... you need more than just a spec file for one of these seeds.
4 >
5 > Like what? It sounds like they aren't providing anything but tarballs.
6
7 Tarballs, VMware images, vserver images, Xen images, and CDs are what
8 we'll eventually deliver, sure. Before then, we'll be putting
9 together packages and (we expect) profiles too. It's likely that
10 we'll also support folks who want to install seeds from source (ie,
11 from a generic stage3 install) as well as folks who want to seed
12 directly from a stage4 tarball or equivalent. We have already made a
13 (small) start in the project's overlay, and we've started documenting
14 our ideas and hopes on our project's wiki.
15
16 We don't pretend to have all the answers; part of the joy of this
17 project will be learning how to do this stuff, and what can be
18 achieved with the tools that we all have access to.
19
20 > Because it's *REALLY* stupid and shows just how unprofessional we are
21 > when we have multiple groups doing the *EXACT* same thing using
22 > different policies and procedures and all pushing it as if it were
23 > *OFFICIAL* for the distribution.
24
25 How exactly do rants like this look "professional" at all?
26
27 > I mean, we're really getting to the point where this is getting
28 > *COMPLETELY* ludicrous. Instead of trying to work together, we have
29 > every yahoo with an @gentoo.org address who wants to do something
30 > *slightly* differently coming up with a new "project" for it.
31
32 We are working together. I'm sorry if you feel left out, but we've
33 been talking to the folks that we need help from, and I'd like to
34 publicly say "thank you" to them for how helpful and supportive
35 they've been. I hope Chris' email won't discourage anyone from
36 continuing to help us.
37
38 Until this childish tantrum arrived in my Inbox, I didn't know anyone
39 was unhappy.
40
41 Btw, I would thank you for coming to talk to me directly about this
42 issue first (which is how we ask Gentoo developers to behave) - but
43 unfortunately, you didn't, so I can't.
44
45 > Why can't we simply try to work *together* on things instead of this
46 > whole "I'll start a new project" mentality that we have?
47
48 I think you've just demonstrated the problem far better than I could have.
49
50 Best regards,
51 Stu
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