Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] From [gentoo-dev] Arches marking ebuilds stable before maintainer

[Jason Wever]

On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 23:32:44 +0200
foser <foser@g.o> wrote:

> > So, from the perspective of the people who actually use our trees,
> > yes, the system works.
>
> Read above, this is not a valid assumption.
>
> Actually, because we paid attention to it, it has not lead to any
> serious treaths to stable arches trees. So if we let go and you do for
> once suffer the consequences, this might still change, but I hope it
> won't have to come that.

If this is truly the case, then why are the arch teams not notified? 
Isn't that exactly what we exist for?  And how can a package maintainer
then apply and QA a fix a problem for an architecture for which they
cannot test?  Also, who is "we"?

Before this turns into more mud slinging than it has, can everyone please
provide cases where they feel there is a problem (including bug reports if
possible) to back up your side of the argument.  Please try to be as
understanding and rational as you can.

Personally, I cannot see how having a package maintainer that cannot test
for a given architecture can provide any level of QA towards that
architecture without outside help.  Additionally, outsides of cases where
new versions or revisions cause problems with dependencies (or the usual
~arching of a new rev/version of a given package), package maintainers who
cannot test for a given architecture shouldn't be adjusting those
keywords.  Again these are just my feelings and not any form of policy
that I'm aware of.

Also, I don't see how having the arch teams and the package maintainers
telling each other they are stupid accomplishes anything.  If anything, it
works against what the original goal was (if we can even remember
anymore).  I think it should be little wonder to most folks why a lot of
developers don't participate in threads on this list if half of them
deteriorate to this level.

Perhaps if you are noticing yourself getting worked up over this you need
to take a break for a bit or find one of those nice vendor-provided
squishy things to throw/help calm yourself.  I know I occasionally find
myself in this position (particularly on this sort of topic) and notice I
get better results if I don't totally berate the people I'm trying to work
with. Yes I can definitely understand getting frustrated and how
there is a desire to lash out in those times, but what does it
truly accomplish? 

Granted between my past postings and my orkut pic everyone may not think
that I know how to be cordial but...:-P 

Keep on SPARCin',
-- 
Jason Wever
Gentoo/Sparc Team Co-Lead