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On Thu, 2007-07-12 at 23:41 -0700, Peter Gordon wrote: |
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> Quite frankly, this (if passed) will be Gentoo's deathbed moment, and |
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> this mail will be one of my last from an official Gentoo account. |
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Sure. Just like CoC. Or PMS. Or whatever the popular "Gentoo is |
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dying" topic was prior to that. |
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If you really feel that strongly about it, feel free to leave. Better |
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yet, how about you move to France with the rest of the pussies.. |
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(obligatory South Park quote) |
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Seriously, how about instead of these childish "if this happens, I'm |
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taking my toys and going home" attitudes, you instead try to determine |
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what you can do to improve a situation you see as bad for Gentoo with |
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one you see as positive. I've grown sick of all this talk and would |
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really like to see some action from the peanut gallery. I know this |
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might be too much to ask from the armchair Council, but one can dream, |
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can't they? |
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> For far too long the mailing lists, IRC channels, and other media of |
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> developer communication have been ridden with belligerent, |
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> inconsiderate, and often-accusatory postings. However, instead of |
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> removing the few who cause most (if not all) of this damage to Gentoo, |
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> we are further restricting its development. |
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Actually, I tend to agree with you. The problem is that we really don't |
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have a way to say that "Gentoo, as a project, has decided that we don't |
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want these people" and get rid of them. Rather, we have these policies |
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that tend to protect the guilty and harm the innocent. We've become |
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much too bureaucratic. |
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How about as an outgoing final act for the current Council, we just ban |
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all the asshats from the list (via our own discretion) and we just see |
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how much nicer things are in the month before the next Council has their |
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meeting. I'm willing to bet the new Council wouldn't reverse any of our |
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bans/whatever and we wouldn't need to enact this sort of crap. It would |
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be much easier if we could just be like "hey buddy, you're a dick... we |
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don't want you here" and we got rid of those people. |
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Sure, they'll turn up somewhere else, but do I really give a crap if |
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some guy decides to start flaming on some barely-used list or even |
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outside Gentoo's infrastructure about how much we suck or how unfairly |
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we treated them? We get enough of that crap as it is now, and I don't |
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see it impacting us much, if at all. What *does* impact us severely is |
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the perception that we're not doing anything about our problems. I |
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would much rather do something and be wrong than do nothing. Doing |
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nothing is *guaranteed* to not solve anything. |
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<snip a bunch of crap about Gentoo dying like FreeBSD> |
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> I, for one, will personally stand against any such action on this list. |
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> If it comes down to it, I will personally approve _any_ non-spam posting |
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> to this list by _anyone_ for the sake of civil disobedience. I encourage |
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> others to take similar action. This type of administration cannot be |
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> allowed to establish itself as proper or "just" in any way. |
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Umm... so you just volunteered to do what we *want* you to do? Good job |
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with that "civil disobedience" there, buddy. :P |
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Can we get some more "civil disobedience" from the rest of you? It will |
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definitely make this project a success and, I think, improve the general |
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attitude on this list. That's right, folks! We need more "civil |
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disobedience" in Gentoo! |
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Chris Gianelloni |
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Release Engineering Strategic Lead |
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Alpha/AMD64/x86 Architecture Teams |
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Games Developer/Council Member/Foundation Trustee |
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Gentoo Foundation |
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