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From: Joshua Jackson <tsunam@g.o>
To: gentoo-dev@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Democracy: No silver bullet
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 03:59:02
Message-Id: 44ED2364.6020400@gentoo.org
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-dev] Democracy: No silver bullet by Daniel Ostrow
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4 Daniel Ostrow wrote:
5 > <snip a bunch>
6 >
7 >> If I could go back in time a couple of years and prevent this democracy
8 >> from ever happening, I would. If I could fix these problems myself, I
9 >> would. But it requires buy-in from the entire Gentoo community if we're
10 >> to do anything about it.
11 >
12 > </snip a bunch>
13 >
14 > First of suffice it to say that many a time in the past (and that is sad
15 > to say as I have only been a dev for just over two years) I have been
16 > privy to whispered murmurs that happen in back rooms behind closed
17 > doors. These whispers have always come about when one of the
18 > aforementioned log threads have come about and the penultimate
19 > conclusion of every one is that the problem that Gentoo presently faces
20 > is in fact too much freedom.
21 I think we all hear some of the back room mummers depending on who we
22 talk to. Some of us hear more then others, some less. However, we all
23 have friends that we feel that we can talk to fairly freely about
24 these issues.
25
26 > Bitching and complaining be
27 > damned; part of what paralyzes us is an acquiescence to that vocal
28 > minority. None of us want to deal with hearing the outcry so no-one does
29 > what is needed. Basically I'm saying that while some level of acceptance
30 > has to come from the community as a whole and some level of it has to
31 > come from the top down whatever the outcome.
32 I'm going to call bullshit on this one, I don't believe you have 4
33 fours (i have one!).
34 Erm, what this isn't the game of bullshit? Oh well...erm *runs* Its
35 not that no one wants to do anything, its that they've seen that if
36 someone does stand up and take on the vocal minority. That being that
37 they are the ones that actually get beaten up by the very ones who
38 acquiescence and allow that minority to continue to do what they do.
39 If you have an issue, stand up and quite honestly, have the balls to
40 take the issue up with the people you have it with. I full expect
41 people to come talk to me if they have issues, with me or anyone. I'm
42 willing to listen either way. I'd like to think everyone else feels
43 the same.
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