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On N, 2010-03-04 at 12:50 +0100, Ben de Groot wrote: |
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> 2010/3/4 Dawid Węgliński <cla@g.o>: |
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> > On Wednesday 03 March 2010 22:51:10 Ben de Groot wrote: |
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> >> I'm not talking about selectively disabling cups. My proposal is |
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> >> to no longer enable the cups useflag in the base profile. |
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> > How is that going to fix circular dependency problem? What will you do if every |
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> > user add cups to USE in make.conf? Say "we don't support cups turned on by |
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> > default"? I hope no. Removing this flag from profile will not fix any problem but |
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> > hide it. |
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> It will fix the "out of the box" circular dependency for people who |
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> switch to a default desktop profile. This is the main problem we |
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> need to solve now. |
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The main problem to solve here is the circular dependency that you |
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yourself introduced as a co-maintainer of poppler, by converting poppler |
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to be monolithic. This from the outside looks like it was done to reduce |
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your maintenance workload in the (possibly accidental) expense of users |
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who are now getting circular dependencies in a fairly common setup. |
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If cups should be enabled in the desktop profile or not is a completely |
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different question. |
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The correct solution here is to fix the core problem that is now |
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happening - not to start removing common desktop needed USE flags from |
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the desktop profiles to delay the correct fix for this circular |
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dependency you guys have introduced for us. |
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> Certain useflag and package combinations |
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> will trigger a circular dep, that is a know occurrence in Gentoo. |
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> But at least with a default configuration things should work out of |
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> the box. For other configurations there are workarounds (in this |
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> case: install gtk+ without cups, or poppler without cairo enabled |
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> first). |
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Circular dependencies shouldn't happen in any situation. I claim there |
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is always a solution to avoid it. A different question is if the cost of |
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the solution is acceptable compared to the problems it causes. I believe |
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an inconvenience for the poppler maintainers is completely justified |
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here for the benefit of users in the form of properly split packages, |
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considering how this affects a majority of desktop users (problem hidden |
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by default or not). |
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I'll later make sure there is a bug for fixing this circular dependency |
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mess properly. I believe the only possible fix is to split poppler back |
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to at least core, bindings and utils, as it seems to be a problem due to |
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poppler-utils requirement by cups. It doesn't need poppler-glib, so |
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utils and bindings being a separate package, as it always was before, |
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would nicely solve it. |
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-- |
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Mart Raudsepp |
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Gentoo Developer |
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Mail: leio@g.o |
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Weblog: http://blogs.gentoo.org/leio |
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