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On Tue, 2007-04-10 at 21:32 +0200, Alexandre Buisse wrote: |
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> work. Stage 4's were going in this direction, but they were too isolated and, as |
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> far as I know, they are dead now. |
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Wow. I'm glad to see that yet another thing I spend so much time |
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working on is marginalized or otherwise discounted because someone |
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couldn't take 3 seconds to check their facts before making a post. The |
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stage4 concept is alive and kicking. It is one of the targets made by |
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catalyst, and likely something we will be utilizing much more in later |
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releases. |
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If anyone has further questions about the stage4 target or how it's |
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utilized in catalyst, feel free to drop onto the gentoo-catalyst mailing |
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list and ask. |
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Now, just to stay on topic with this posting, I have some simple (yeah |
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right) questions. |
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Will this actually resolve any of the recent problems? |
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Will this stop flame wars? |
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Will this cause people be nicer to each other? |
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Will this give us more qualified developers? |
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Will this increase the quality of the tree? |
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Restructuring the project isn't going to solve these problems. At best, |
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it will mask them during the time that we've wasted restructuring only |
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to find that we are back with the same set of problems, though now |
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without any form of centralized management to have even the glimmer of |
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hope of being able to resolve them. It will take us to a complete mess |
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of incompatible overlays and trees. It also places the projects in a |
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hierarchy that doesn't match the actual power structure. |
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If the parent project doesn't govern the sub-project, then why is it a |
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sub-project, at all? |
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What exactly are all of us supposed to actually *do* while we're waiting |
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for the SCM conversion and for the package managers to get the support |
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necessary and all of the changes are made to the tree? Do we simply |
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stop developing the distribution for days? Weeks? Months? |
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I think that the clique-like nature of many projects is part of the |
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problem. We already have too much of a "us versus them" mentality. |
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How will moving to having lots of independent projects with no central |
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authority make Gentoo better? |
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Will it make the distribution better for our users? |
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Reading back over your proposal with my questions in mind leaves me with |
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exactly one last question. |
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What, exactly, is your proposal supposed to actually accomplish? |
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Chris Gianelloni |
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Release Engineering Strategic Lead |
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