Re: [gentoo-dev] Programming advice wanted?

[Marc Giger]

On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 14:30:15 -0600
Andrew Gaffney <agaffney@×××××××××××.com> wrote:

> Marc Giger wrote:
> > On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 13:13:42 -0600
> > Andrew Gaffney <agaffney@×××××××××××.com> wrote:
> >
> >>Dennis Allison wrote:
> >>
> >>>First, it is important to understand that programming is
> >independent>>of any particular programming language.  Languages are
> >just the >>representation or notation for programs.  Some are large
> >and complex>>and likely to get in the way of understanding
> >programming (C++); >>others are spare and simple and conceptually
> >clean (Python, Scheme).>>
> >>>I'd begin with Python and then move on to other languages.
> >Starting>>with C++ is a bit like deciding you want to take up
> >mountain>>climbing and that the first mountain you want to climb is
> >Mount>>Everest.
> >>
> >>While I do completely agree with that analogy, C++ was the first
> >>(real) language I learned (after Apple BASIC, QBasic, VB, and Java
> >>(*I* do not consider Java a real language)) and
> >
> > I really don't understand what people have against Java?!? Is it
> > because of Sun and its license?
> > I have many years of experience in java programming and also learned
> > object oriented programming with it. In my opinion it's good and
> > clean. How many other languages do you know, which works on multiple
> > platforms without recompiling, run as a plugin in browsers, has deep
> > security concept built in (sandbox, bytecode verifier, etc),
> > multithreading as a basic language feature, exception handling,
> > RPC/RMI, etc etc etc ...
>
> I didn't like it because I was *forced* to use OOP to program with it.

>
> > If someone really is interested in understanding object oriented
> > programming then I would advise to begin with Java.
> >
> >>it gave me a broad understanding of the way that any language works.
> >>Because I know C/C++, I can easily pick up new languages because I
> >>don't have to learn new concepts.
> >
> > Agreed, but as you said, your first language was not C/C++ but
> > Basic, VB, Java etc. Correct me if I am wrong, but I think you
> > learned(hopefully) object oriented programming mostly with Java.
>
> I did say that C/C++ was my first *real* language. With Java, I never
> really did learned OOP. I learned a little about objects and classes,
> but nothing about inheritance or anything like that. I couldn't
> understand what was going on behind the scenes. That's why I moved on.
>
> > In my case I learned OOP in Java and could utilize it to C++ without
> > big problems. The only strange thing was weird language constructs
> > and discrepancies in C/C++.
>
> I had to pretty much relearn OOP when I learned C++.

Ok, if you begin to learn programming with C++ and you take it
seriously, you have to learn 2 things:

- OOP and C++

With Java you can concentrating you fully to OOD / OOA / OOP and you
don't have to worry about the syntax etc.

That's fully different to C++.

Regards

Marc

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