Re: [gentoo-dev] Programming advice wanted?

[Andrew Gaffney]

Marc Giger wrote:
> On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 13:13:42 -0600
> Andrew Gaffney <agaffney@×××××××××××.com> wrote:
>
>>Dennis Allison wrote:
>>
>>>First, it is important to understand that programming is independent
>>>of any particular programming language.  Languages are just the
>>>representation or notation for programs.  Some are large and complex
>>>and likely to get in the way of understanding programming (C++);
>>>others are spare and simple and conceptually clean (Python, Scheme).
>>>
>>>I'd begin with Python and then move on to other languages.  Starting
>>>with C++ is a bit like deciding you want to take up mountain
>>>climbing and that the first mountain you want to climb is Mount
>>>Everest.
>>
>>While I do completely agree with that analogy, C++ was the first
>>(real) language I learned (after Apple BASIC, QBasic, VB, and Java
>>(*I* do not consider Java a real language)) and
>
> I really don't understand what people have against Java?!? Is it
> because of Sun and its license?
> I have many years of experience in java programming and also learned
> object oriented programming with it. In my opinion it's good and clean.
> How many other languages do you know, which works on multiple
> platforms without recompiling, run as a plugin in browsers, has deep
> security concept built in (sandbox, bytecode verifier, etc),
> multithreading as a basic language feature, exception handling, RPC/RMI,
> etc etc etc ...

I didn't like it because I was *forced* to use OOP to program with it.

> If someone really is interested in understanding object oriented
> programming then I would advise to begin with Java.
>
>>it gave me a broad understanding of the way that any language works.
>>Because I know C/C++, I can easily pick up new languages because I
>>don't have to learn new concepts.
>
> Agreed, but as you said, your first language was not C/C++ but Basic,
> VB, Java etc. Correct me if I am wrong, but I think you
> learned(hopefully) object oriented programming mostly with Java.

I did say that C/C++ was my first *real* language. With Java, I never really did learned 
OOP. I learned a little about objects and classes, but nothing about inheritance or 
anything like that. I couldn't understand what was going on behind the scenes. That's why 
I moved on.

> In my case I learned OOP in Java and could utilize it to C++ without
> big problems. The only strange thing was weird language constructs and
> discrepancies in C/C++.

I had to pretty much relearn OOP when I learned C++.

> Please don't get me wrong.

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