Re: [gentoo-dev] Migrate to Phabricator

[Kent Fredric]

On 18 April 2016 at 23:44, Jonas Jelten <jj@××××××.net> wrote:
> especially to dump bugzilla.

Dumping bugzilla at this time would be a regression really. "Lets just
discard millions of bugs and their history and important context" is
not really an option for a web accessible opensource project with lots
of inbound links, some of which are stashed in git commit messages,
and are essentially unfixable.

> It provides a tightly coupled set of project management tools. https://phacility.com/phabricator/

I tend to find "tightly coupled" a synonym for "fragile" and "Inflexible".

If there was a way for somebody to informally set up a phabricator
instance in a non-committal manner
that could be used merely for review purposes, that'd be nice.

But "lets change to this cool new thing because its cool" is something
that doesn't resonate with me.

To 'Change' It has to be _proven_ useful for our usecases, and
_proven_ to be _better_ than what we have, not dubious, tenuous and
relatively unknown.

I'd want to be personally comfortable with using it before I ever
voted in favour of gentoo changing to it.

And I'd expect all other devs to require that same high standard.

Also: I Hold defacto reservations about anything written in PHP, due
to both personal history with PHP, and the significant number of PHP
projects with both atrocious code and glaring security defects.

So I would want to be sure that not only is it better than what we
have, but it is _at least_ as secure as what we have, and I'd want to
be assured that the development team of Phabricator are competent and
its not just yet-another-fly-by-night product.


> Migrating would contradict the apparent goal of integrating github more tightly,

I have no idea where this "apparent goal" came from: "tight" github
integration is not and has never been "on the table".

Github is purely a voluntary auxiliary process intended to allow
people to augment their workflow in semi-useful ways, and then, some
of the things github provides is harmful ( Githubs inability to handle
rebased pulls makes people do horrible long merge commits )

Its been repeatedly stated that Github must never be "Relied upon" in
a mandatory way, because it is inherently proprietary and usurps all
the authority that Gentoo infra have, and puts the Gentoo organisation
at Githubs mercy, and this would be entirely unconscionable as the
"only pathway".

-- 
Kent

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