Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP ??: Critical News Reporting

[Nathan L. Adams]

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Stephen P. Becker wrote:
>> *ALL* of the official docs are GuideXML; Gentoo *expects* users to have
>> a web browser by default. Otherwise a vast majority of users would never
>> get Gentoo installed in the first place. The "lightweight" requirement
>> appears to just be your way of subverting the current documentation
>> standards (because of your XML hatred).
>
>
> How about getting some facts straight before running your mouth?  Gentoo
> most certainly does not expect users to have a web browser to install.
> The last time I actually installed on x86 (which was some time ago
> admittedly), there was a .txt version of the install guide on the livecd.
>
> Even then, the web browser you are speaking of runs directly off the
> livecd.  So, what happens when there is critical news to be read during
> the install phase inside the chroot, but no web browser is yet
> installed?  Are you suggesting we bloat stage1 and stage2 with some sort
> of XML parser so that the user can read news without having to kill the
> emerge and read the news outside the chroot?  I think you would have a
> seriously hard time convincing the release folks this is a good idea.
>
> Furthermore, it is not possible to include any sort of XML parser with
> installers for certain arches which use very minimal netboots for the
> default installation method.  So really, your complaints about the
> "lightweight" requirement appears to just be a way of subverting
> attention away from the real reasons it is a good idea, and towards
> maintaining a flamewar with ciaran that you will surely lose.
>

Let me say it one more time. I'm not saying you have to have a web
browser installed on the system that you are updating or installing. I'm
saying that the GuideXML docs are the standard, official source of
documentation and the same should hold true for the migration guides.
I'm also saying that feedback from users said they want ONE official
place to find this stuff. Therefor any plan that doesn't take both of
those things into account is silly. And having the GuideXML-ized guides
on a central website marked as the 'official-one-stop-for-errata' does
not in any way shape or form preclude anyone from mirroring that info in
a text file, forum post, emerge --news, mailing list, etc. etc. ad nauseum.
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