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From: Donnie Berkholz <spyderous@g.o>
To: avenj@g.o
Cc: gentoo-dev@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] The Gentoo Developer Handbook - Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 21:50:52
Message-Id: 25334.205.241.48.33.1090360245.squirrel@spidermail.richmond.edu
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-dev] The Gentoo Developer Handbook - Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? by Jon Portnoy
1 Jon Portnoy said:
2 > On Tue, Jul 20, 2004 at 12:23:23AM +0000, Kurt Lieber wrote:
3 >> I have seen this and I strongly disagreed with it then and now. I
4 >> don't believe it is *ever* appropriate for devrel to censor devs,
5 >> whether it be temporarily or permanently. As long as it is done
6 >> professionally and courteously, devs should be able to express
7 >> themselves freely imo.
8 >
9 > I absolutely agree. I very much don't want devrel to be in the thought
10 > police business.
11
12 In a (hypothetical) situation where a developer is behaving
13 inappropriately and seems to ignore repeated warnings, I see two answers:
14
15 1) Prior restraint based on reasonable expectation of continued
16 misbehavior in a specific area
17 2) Suspension/dismissal based on past behavior
18
19 They both accomplish the same thing -- preventing someone from behaving in
20 a manner unbefitting a Gentoo developer while in that person's role as a
21 Gentoo representative. If you look closely, these options are really
22 different levels of the same scale -- a developer suspended for certain
23 actions is unlikely to do them again. Also note that there is _no way_ for
24 anyone in Gentoo to truly apply prior restraint to a Gentoo developer. We
25 can't stop you from doing anything -- we can just apply consequences if
26 you do.
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28 Note that I am not saying anything about in which cases such consequences
29 should be applied. There's nothing wrong with expressing an opinion, as
30 long as it doesn't invade the rights of others.
31
32 Example: I hate cafeterias. I express this opinion by burning them, which
33 invades the rights of others to eat there.
34 Example: I hate GNU Queue. I express this opinion by trolling its mailing
35 list, expressing my extremely low opinions without any factual
36 justification, going out of my way to annoy the developer and user
37 communities and generally making the whole atmosphere quite unfriendly.
38
39 Other suggestions on how to deal with this are welcome.
40
41 Thanks,
42 Donnie
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