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From: "Nathan L. Adams" <nadams@××××.org>
To: gentoo-dev@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Closing bugs [was: New Bugzilla HOWTO]
Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 15:07:08
Message-Id: 42CFE915.9070402@ieee.org
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Closing bugs [was: New Bugzilla HOWTO] by "Jory A. Pratt"
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4 Jory A. Pratt wrote:
5 > I have sat here and read you all rant on and on about these
6 > issues,
7
8 Jory, I take issue with that. I am not ranting. I am proposing a way to
9 *improve* QA.
10
11 > but you still are not taking into account that when a bug is
12 > marked worksforme or needmoreinfo that we are unable to replicate the
13 > error. We are not saying that the bug does not exist we are saying
14 > that of all the QA that we can do for you the user are unable to
15 > replicate the error.
16
17 I do software development, systems integration, and bug squashing for a
18 living. I know this fact: Sometimes the developer doesn't realise what
19 the actual problem is. Sometimes its because the end-user didn't
20 communicate well. Sometimes its because the developer is being an ass
21 (we've all been guilty of this). *That* is why verification should be
22 done not by the person writing the fix. It should be by an independent
23 party; Team Lead, reporter, etc.
24
25 > If you can point out a number of bugs that violate my points please
26 > say so ... If you can not I believe you need to step back re-evalute
27 > the your thoughts and possibly send an apoligy to the DEV's. You
28 > forget we do not get paid for our time and/or work that we put into
29 > your DISTRO.
30
31 "Dear Developers Who Take Constructive Critizism as Insults,
32
33 Please grow thicker skin. No one is out to get you. Believe it or not,
34 the people trying to improve the process are on your side, and they're
35 not trying to insult you. No one is saying that because the process
36 could be better that your work is somehow diminished.
37
38 Sincerely,
39
40 Nathan
41
42 p.s. End-users aren't paid to report bugs on 'your DISTRO' either."
43
44 >
45 > Sincely
46 > Jory
47 >
48 > P.S. I am not looking for a flame war
49
50 Well you severly missed the mark on that one...
51
52 > I am looking for you all to step
53 > back and think before you say that no QA is being completed.
54
55 Maybe you should stop assuming that a critique of a process is a
56 personal insult. And I never said that 'no QA is being completed'. I'm
57 suggesting a way to improve QA.
58
59 Nathan
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Replies

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Closing bugs [was: New Bugzilla HOWTO] Ciaran McCreesh <ciaran.mccreesh@×××××××××××××.uk>
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Closing bugs [was: New Bugzilla HOWTO] Marco Matthies <marco-ml@×××.net>
[gentoo-dev] Re: Closing bugs [was: New Bugzilla HOWTO] R Hill <dirtyepic.sk@×××××.com>