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On 10/01/18 13:49, kuzetsa wrote: |
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> On 01/10/2018 05:57 AM, David Seifert wrote: |
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>> On Wed, 2018-01-10 at 08:55 +0100, Lars Wendler wrote: |
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>>> On Wed, 10 Jan 2018 08:48:56 +0300 Eray Aslan wrote: |
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>>> |
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>>>> On Tue, Jan 09, 2018 at 10:20:56PM +0100, Andreas K. Huettel wrote: |
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>>>>> * Posting to the list will only be possible to Gentoo developers |
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>>>>> and |
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>>>>> whitelisted additional participants. |
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>>>> This is so contrary to what I and I thought Gentoo stands for: |
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>>>> openness, transparency, inclusiveness even when these require a |
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>>>> rather |
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>>>> thick skin and result in high noise. It's a price worth paying. |
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>>>> |
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>>>> I guess I should a) pay more attention to council elections b) |
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>>>> consider |
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>>>> the idea that the whole council thing as it stands now is just not |
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>>>> working. |
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>>>> |
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>>> Wow. I couldn't have said it better. |
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>>> Seems we're turning into an elitist club or something... |
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>>> I wonder how many users we're going to loose on this one. Well done |
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>>> council :-( |
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>>> |
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>> If your only reason to use Gentoo is because you can post to the main |
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>> developer ML, and not because we try to provide a great distribution |
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>> with lots of choice, a current toolchain and lots of customization, |
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>> then you're likely using the wrong distribution. |
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>> |
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> If development of a quality distribution which meets |
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> these goals requires thick skin, something is broken: |
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> |
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> I've never seen anything from the gentoo foundation |
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> which suggests that the gentoo developer mail list |
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> should be considered a safe space for disparaging |
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> remarks. Think of the messaging on this - for every |
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> 1 or 2 people who are willing to come forward to |
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> address these concerns, there are likely "not zero" |
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> who didn't want to deal with confrontation and the |
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> risk that rudeness and hostile behavior would be |
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> defended. |
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> |
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Your argument seems partially contradictory here, and I think the |
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interpretation may be muddled with language barriers for those |
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developers/users with English as a foreign language ... |
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Are you reinforcing the point [widely accepted by many whose heads |
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aren't in the proverbial sand[0]] that Gentoo is [or is becoming] an |
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elitist club, or condoning "bad behaviour" by both devs and non-devs on |
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the mailing lists.... |
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Your final point, however, makes a lot of sense .. [1] |
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[0] - https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/head-in-the-sand |
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[1] - https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/keep+head+down |
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