Re: [gentoo-dev] Paludis and Profiles

[Paul de Vrieze]

On Wednesday 17 May 2006 15:57, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> On Wed, 17 May 2006 12:04:33 +0200 Paul de Vrieze <pauldv@g.o>
>
> wrote:
> | - Paludis must be able to handle a standard portage /var/db/pkg tree.
> | This means that paludis can read it, and write it. Enabling mixing
> | portage and paludis up to some degree.
>
> Paludis can read a Portage-generated VDB. Portage can't read a
> Paludis-generated VDB, because Paludis has more features.
>
> | - Paludis must work with all current ebuilds,
>
> Portage does not work with all current ebuilds.
>
> | and support all features of portage.
>
> That's insane. Why should we support Portage-style 'candy' spinners?

Let me clarify my statement. I don't care about candy spinners. Paludis 
(or any other package manager that is to be integrated into gentoo) 
should basically be able to allow a level of mix and match. This means 
that at the initial import, it can be run on any package instead of 
portage, and the results still be usable for portage (possibly after a 
conversion stage).

This allows testing out the package manager.

> | This includes recognition of EAPI
>
> Funnily enough, unlike Portage, Paludis has full EAPI handling.

Great. And I agree that EAPI was not taken as far as it should within 
portage.

> | and no renaming of the variables used.
>
> Why should Paludis emulate Portage internals that no-one uses?

If they are internals I don't care. If they are part of the API exposed to 
ebuilds then these variables should still be provided. If variables are 
not part of the public API, but still used regularly I consider them 
still part of the API.

> | - No part of the tree, except those that by nature are paludis
> | specific, may require the usage of paludis instead of portage. This
> | requirement can only be removed after a decision is made by the
> | council to retire portage in favour of paludis.
>
> Again, insane. EAPI allows ebuilds using things that developers have
> been after for years (you know, slot and use deps) to be in the tree in
> such a way that they appear masked to Portage. That's a large part of
> the point of EAPI.

Let's make clear why I put this in. Basically I am of the opinion that 
until a decision is made to make (in this case) paludis the primary 
package manager, all official packages should work with portage. Package 
masked packages are not considered official.

If this restriction is not applied, it would create the situation that a 
decision is forced upon the council by (paludis) having features 
available that the official primary  package manager has not. Thus 
requiring the use of a secondary package manager for certain 
applications. This in fact makes that package manager primary.

> | - It would be greatly beneficial if paludis would create and use
> | .tbz2 packages, but this is not essential.
>
> Paludis will use its own binary format.

I assume there are valid reasons. I agree that the binary support can be 
improved.

Paul

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