Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo on Discord

[Matthew Thode]

On 19-04-30 17:36:46, Robin H. Johnson wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 07:24:45PM +0200, Michał Górny wrote:
> > On Tue, 2019-04-30 at 19:20 +0200, Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote:
> > > On 4/30/19 7:18 PM, Michał Górny wrote:
> > > > On Mon, 2019-04-29 at 22:34 +0200, Dirkjan Ochtman wrote:
> > > > > In this article on chat services used for OSS:
> > > > >
> > > > > https://catfox.life/2019/04/28/keeping-libre-software-accessible-to-all/
> > > > >
> > > > > I was surprised to see a mention of Gentoo as a project that uses "Discord
> > > > > as an official method of communication". When I searched, I indeed found
> > > > > https://discordapp.com/invite/gentoo. However, I'd never before heard we
> > > > > were using Discord (and didn't find any mentions of Discord on the -dev or
> > > > > -project mailing lists).
> > > > >
> > > > > Is this indeed an official venue? It's not listed on
> > > > > https://gentoo.org/support/ (which does mention IRC).
> > > > >
> > > > I've contacted the author and the author refused to change it.
> > > > The claim is that 'PR team runs it', '8 Gentoo developers have admin
> > > > rights', 'i.e. it is sanctioned by the project itself'.  I was suggested
> > > > that if it's not official, we should close it instead.
> > >
> > > If that is how it is perceived I'd be in favor of outright closing it at
> > > least
> > >
> > I suppose the problem boils down to 'perceived by whom'.
> "What's official" is part of the problem.
>
> The PR wiki page DOES list Discord as one of the official channels,
> along with other non-libre Silos.
> https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Public_Relations#Social_silos_and_chat
>
> A better question is: in keeping with social contract, but balancing
> that users do want to be on different services, what material should be
> on each silo?
> - Announcements (copied to multiple locations)
> - chat/forum-style support mechanisms for users on those silos
>
> I disagree with awilfox's assertion that libre software should not
> _use_ non-libre silos; I feel a better statement is that libre software
> should not DEPEND on non-libre silos where possible, and offer libre
> alternatives (IRC, despite it's problems).
>

I agree with that statement (that we should not depend on non-libre
silos).  moderation of the discord server is another question (after
this discussion I suppose).

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Matthew Thode (prometheanfire)