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On Tuesday 27 July 2004 4:09 pm, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: |
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> Uh, no. They are assumptions based upon a very large body of direct |
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> evidence. Since we can't go and ask every single user what they think, |
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> that's the best we can get. |
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No, that's the best you have, which is another way of saying, nothing. |
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The problem here is that you presume to know what is best for everyone, and |
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worse, what everyone else wants. |
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> That's just it, though. Doesn't take much effort to get a few hundred |
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> Off The Wall readers to register multiple accounts and vote-bomb a bug |
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> because it's 'funny' or 'cool'. Like I said, search for "portage |
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> ignorance" in Off The Wall and you'll see a perfect example. |
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bugzilla != phpbb |
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And I'll say it again: voting works great for KDE and Mozilla-- which are |
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very large projects such as ours (if not larger). |
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> No, the top-10 will end up containing "support reiser4 in g-d-s" and |
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> "add kernel-I'm-not-allowed-to-name to portage". See aforementioned OTW |
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> thread. |
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Again, assumptions. Even if that were true, and most of our users wanted |
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reiser4 in g-d-s, then I hope we would at least give them some time to |
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consider it. |
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> You're assuming that a) votes equate to what our users want, and b) our |
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> users understand every single issue involved. As Peter already |
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> suggested, the subtle but important bugs won't get voted on, because |
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> most people don't know what they're about. |
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a) I'm not assuming that. The numbers are what they are. Among Gentoo |
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users who are in Bugzilla, and voting. (x) votes have been cast for this |
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bug. Nothing more, nothing less. |
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b) Subtle but important to whom? You? Yes, I can see why letting people |
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vote would be a problem for you. It would potentially shift the |
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priorities from the things you feel are important to what the users feel |
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are important. |
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> Our interface is already complex enough that most people need a wizard. |
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> Why add even more to it? |
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Because it encourages participation in the process of developing Gentoo. |
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It gives people a feature to tell us what's important to them, instead of |
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just filing bugs which, to some users, seem to be a black hole. Voting |
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gives people a simple way of expressing, "this is important to me". |
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Perhaps it would lead to less people filing blocker/critical bugs if they |
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felt they could attract attention to a bug by other means. |
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Package feedback as a separate effort is good, but that doesn't address |
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bugs which address all of Gentoo, as a project including our |
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documentation, infrastructure, etc. |
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> Of course it's irrelevant. The colour of the bike shed doesn't matter. |
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> Whether or not we enable a feature which could end up causing serious |
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> problems for developers matters a lot. Two entirely separate issues. |
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Really. How would enabling voting cause "serious problems" for developers? |
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1. It doesn't change how you (or anyone else) is using Bugzilla |
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2. It's a completely opt-in feature, for users and devs alike |
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3. It can be quickly disabled at any time. |
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Sure, serious problems there. |
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Cheers, |
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Dylan Carlson [absinthe@g.o] |
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