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From: "Nathan L. Adams" <nadams@××××.org>
To: gentoo-dev@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] tentative x86 arch team glep
Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2005 14:55:59
Message-Id: 431C5D84.6030205@ieee.org
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-dev] tentative x86 arch team glep by "Kevin F. Quinn"
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4 Kevin F. Quinn wrote:
5 > Well, it strikes me that most if not all of the organisational questions
6 > are not relevant to a tester; the only technical question that is
7 > relevant is 9 (keyword marking), and even that would be reworded for the
8 > tester perspective. The main point being that a tester can be a willing
9 > user, with no dev capabilities at all; the ebuild quiz is written for a
10 > different target group. In fact, it's useful if testers are not developers,
11 > as devs often make assumptions without realising it.
12 >
13 > I guess it comes down to what you want a tester to do. In my mind, the
14 > task of a tester is to emerge the package normally, record the use flag
15 > configuration, and exercise the application as much as possible. Possibly
16 > repeating with other use flag configurations. If you want testers to do
17 > ebuild QA, then the ebuild quiz becomes relevant, but I don't think it's
18 > a good idea..
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20 In my professional work, the pecking order is like this:
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22 developer --> integration/test --> system design --> management
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24 Of course, some of the developers I work with may disagree. ;)
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26 But the point is that the integration/test team knows about development;
27 it just makes sense. The integration/test team needs to know a good deal
28 about development *and* the overall system design to be affective.
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30 So I would say have all arch-testers take both the ebuild quiz and the
31 newer QA/testing quiz. I suppose you could be more lax about scoring if
32 you're really worried about not getting a large enough pool of testers.
33 And I'm not arguing that an arch tester has to become a developer first;
34 I'm just making the point that a good tester has the ability to switch
35 back and forth between the 'big picture' and the 'bit level'.
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37 If you want fancy terminology, the testers need to know how to test the
38 interfaces (in this case the portage API, probably by code walk
39 throughs), and functional threads (you gave a great example, 'emerge the
40 package normally, record the use flag configuration, and exercise the
41 application').
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43 Nathan
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