Re: [gentoo-dev] addition of optional dependencies to (gtk+-2.4.1)

[foser]

On Tue, 2004-05-11 at 21:01 -0400, cbrewer@×××××××××××××.net wrote:
>
> On Tuesday May 11 2004 5:08, foser wrote:
>
> > Well actually in one of the bugs I gave a possible alternate approach on
> > how to get rid of these deps, maybe you could try to be more
> > constructive and solve this problem in a way that is satisfying to all
> > parties involved.
> > We have good reasons to add these deps, you have none and are obviously
> > offended by the fact that you have a gnome package now.
> >
> > - foser
> >
> > PS. related bugs
> > http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=50085
> > http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=50498
>
> I don't think it's about gnome or not gnome myself. I have a concern that this
> is three extra deps for something I'll probably never see.

This is the first time someone mentiones more than 1 dep (i only heard
about the icon-theme so far - i did mention i found that amusing didn't
i ?). It's probably 4 extra deps btw (off the top of my head).
And why won't you see it ? The old fileselector API is now deprecated,
all GTK+ apps will move to the new API eventually. You will see it and
you will need these deps, especially if you are only a gtk+ user (not
gnome), because this fixes a usability problem for plain gtk+ user, not
gnome users.

> From the hot
> tempers on both sides over this, it almost sounds like you're happy to give
> out a gnome dep for spite, although I'm sure that's not the case, though
> casual observance makes me wonder.

It's just a set of icon themes based on the fdo specs, that it happens
to have gnome in it's package name is pretty irrelevant. I only expected
nothing else than baseless criticism on this and my gut feeling was
right. It has only been an issue about a 'gnome dep', even you make it
into that. It even got mentioned earlier that it was _not_ the size that
was a problem, that would at least make for a bit of a reasonable
argument. I really don't see what it is about than a petty naming issue.
And it's the way this has been brought up so far that makes us touchy,
like we're idiots here for adding these deps.

>  I think had this been non-gnome/kde issue
> it would have never had the deps applied, and properly been marked upstream,
> as its a fault in gtk+ packaging for not providing the support for its file
> chooser.

I don't go mark things upstream that can easily be fixed here and now.
Anyway, this is just plain part of gtk+ now, they only forgot to mention
it as explicit deps. There may be less intrusive ways possibly, but I
don't know if it's worth the effort. Anyway, i've not heard back from
anyone willing to implement it in another way.

- foser