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Patrick Lauer wrote: |
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> On Mon, 2006-01-02 at 12:50 -0600, Lance Albertson wrote: |
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>>A mission statement only goes so far. The underlying leadership has to |
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>>make sure that statement is upheld and kept alive. Too many folks have a |
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>>mission statement, but no one ever remembers what it is or abides by it. |
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> I guess there isn't one driving force behind Gentoo - we have many |
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> differing opinions on things like QA, handling of bugs, ... |
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> It's just that usually Gentoo gets the least in your way when you're |
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> trying |
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> to do something :-) |
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See, thats the exact problem we have. Its too opinionated with no ground |
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rules. Nothing ever gets done, and flame wars just go on. Sure we have |
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the council, but minor things shouldn't have to wait on the council to |
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meet each month. Such a person would only have one vote on the council |
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IF it were ever decided they even had a vote on there. (Perhaps a tie |
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breaker type of thing, though I think we already have an odd number of |
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council members) |
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>>I guess I'm almost hinting at that Gentoo needs a single entity that's |
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>>sole purpose is to drive/research the direction and goals for Gentoo. |
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> There was this Robbins guy ... remember him? ;-) |
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Of course, but that was then, this is now. We can't play by the same |
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rules as when Daniel was around. |
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>>It'd be almost ceo-like, but the council is still top dawg. Right now, I |
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>>view our group as a bunch of chiefs with no real single leader saying |
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>>"lets strive to do this". The main problem is, too many people fear |
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>>about such a person could turn into a dictator, so I'm not sure if this |
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>>could ever happen. |
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> I wonder if any single person would be accepted? |
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> After all there is noone capable of forcing anyone to do anything as far |
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> as I can tell - worst case you fork Gentoo (again) and don't resolve |
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> the issues. |
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That's what I fear might be the only solution because of the |
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indecisiveness we are as a group. |
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>>This person would be in constant contact of all the |
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>>groups and try to muck together what everyone is doing. They could |
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>>suggest things to help minimize user impact, maybe try to join two |
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>>projects if they are both working on a similar goal, thus minimizing the |
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>>workload. Stuff like that essentially. |
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> Communication ... should happen anyway, but it seems to get more and |
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> more |
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> difficult. Another layer of bureaucracy won't help that ... |
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Its not another layer of bureaucracy. Its the bonding part of the |
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communication that will help. We can't assume that everyone will |
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communicate everything they need to. This person would ensure they got |
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in contact with every group regularly. They won't govern what those |
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groups do, just summarize and report back to the council who has the |
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authority. |
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>> We need a good visionary. If such |
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>>a position were created, I also think that person's sole focus should be |
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>>that focus within Gentoo. (i.e. they aren't a major contributor for a |
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>>subproject in Gentoo). This position would take too much time for them |
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>>to keep those other duties. |
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> ... and you'd burn out a capable person within half a year I think |
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Possibly, I mean look at what happened to Daniel. Of course, there were |
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other reasons going on, but I do realize such a position would be |
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demanding. Why else do CEOs get paid the big bucks in the corporations? |
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:) (Since they essentially do the same type of work). |
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>>Dunno, maybe I'm the loner here thinking this... |
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> Maybe a bit idealistic, but I mostly agree :-) |
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Yeah, maybe so :-) |
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Reflecting on this more, I see that most of the council members are a |
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very important part of the active Gentoo development model (toolchain, |
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etc). They need to keep those roles active as much as possible, then |
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help on the council. I guess I view this person as a sole chairmen of |
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the board that just focuses on council type duties and roles. I think |
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the current council has lots of great people, but they're all busy with |
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their subprojects and can't take on a role like this. We really need a |
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single voice to bind everything together, but doesn't have total control |
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like Daniel did. |
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Hopefully I'm making sense... |
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