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On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 18:59:00 +0800 Ben de Groot wrote: |
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> On 20 July 2015 at 17:27, Jason Zaman <perfinion@g.o> wrote: |
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> > On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 10:39:25AM +0200, Dirkjan Ochtman wrote: |
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> >> On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 6:03 AM, Ben de Groot <yngwin@g.o> wrote: |
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> >> > I would like to hear from the other team members, yes. |
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> >> I have sympathy towards those who are asking for only one Python in |
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> >> stages (as in, I would be fine with that), but I very much think we |
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> >> should not leave Python 3 out of generally installed systems by |
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> >> default. We need to move through the transition, and increasing the |
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> >> barriers to Python 3 adoption will only make that process slower. |
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> >> I also feel like a voting process for this is probably not a solution. |
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> > I also very much dislike shipping only python2. Having only one python |
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> > is admirable and I'm all for it but if we only ship one by default it |
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> > should be python3. |
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> That is a nice sentiment, but unpractical. We have a lot more packages |
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> that require python2, while we only have 74 that require python3. |
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> While it may be possible to ship with python3 only (I haven't looked |
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> at what the packages in stage3 support), users will almost certainly |
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> need to install python2 when they start installing more packages. |
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Seconded here. Too many userspace stuff I use doesn't support |
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python3 at all. |
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> But if we ship with python2 only, then most users won't need python3. |
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> Those who want it, can of course simply add it. Going with python2 as |
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> default simply makes more sense. |
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Can't agree here. |
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1) Sooner or later python2 will be deprecated upstream, so we |
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should encourange users to use python3 for packages supporting it. |
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This will increase user base, feedbacks and will help such |
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transition. |
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2) In many cases (e.g. for emerge) python3 is faster than python2. |
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This is also important, especially in Gentoo. |
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I see little harm with shipping both python versions as it will |
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suit needs most of the users out-of-the-box. And python3 should be |
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set as default so that will stick to present, not to the past. |
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As for people interested in single python version installed only, |
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they are always free to switch to selected version and drop all |
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others. It may require rebuild of python-dependent packages of |
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course, but this is a normal procedure. |
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Best regards, |
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Andrew Savchenko |
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